Two years ago it was Lebron’s issues with hydration and team USA soccer’s hamstring problems. Last year when discussing How freaky Kyrie Irving’s knee injury was(n’t) I wrote:
“What playoff sports also gives is an opportunity to watch how athletes at the highest level are managed. It’s kind of incredible every year there are standout examples of what not to do. Examples I think everyone can take something from. Professional athlete or not.”
This year we’re going to give an example of how to do it right. Steve Kerr and the Golden State Warriors are, as they say, putting on a clinic.
To recap,
- Steph Curry is the MVP of the league
- He has a nasty history with his right ankle. Two previous surgeries, and he likely lost count of how many sprains.
- However, the last four years he’s been quite healthy.
- He awkwardly turned his ankle / foot in game one of the playoffs against the Houston Rockets
- Everybody thought it was his ankle, but follow up reports seem to indicate it was his foot. Kerr saying “it’s underneath his ankle.” Unfortunately it’s always hard to get clear reports on these things, as the media rarely has the background in anatomy to ask the right questions, the medical staff is unavailable for questioning, and teams, understandably, prefer to be vague. Furthermore, in this case the media is going to harp on the ankle. Because of Steph’s history that makes for a juicier story.
-> I have another post about ankle taping coming in the future but it’s poignant to bring this up: If you look at Curry’s ankles, he has a load of protection for them. A thick brace and he gets taped.
Now think about path of least resistance. If Curry can’t move his ankle because it’s so stabilized, something else needs to move. Something either above or below what’s stabilized. It wouldn’t be surprising if the area Curry hurt is right below where this brace stops. Something like here, but on the lateral side:
This appears to be the only decent video of his injury. It really looks like he turned his foot. Notice how twisted his front foot his compared to the back foot i.e. that mid to high foot area (like in pink above), while his ankle appears to remain straight:
You can also see his shoe remains fairly flat on the ground -it’s more his foot angling- while in an ankle sprain the shoe / foot will often turn to where it’s on its side. Like if you step off a curb wrong.
He immediately limps after this. It’s very likely the guy’s ankle is so rock steady with his apparatus he ended up turning something else. Instead of moving excessively here:
Which is often taped (plus his brace):
He may have moved just below that. Say here:
This is why you want to be careful going crazy with ankle stabilization techniques.
1) This could be good news for everybody. You’d rather he injure somewhere else than the old spot, though that whole ankle / foot may now be getting a little more beat up. When you insure one area as much as possible, other areas become more susceptible. There are no free lunches with biomechanics.
2) Hey, when your career is riding on your ankle, like Curry’s was, it’s different. For someone with minimal to no ankle history, you could very well end up causing an unwanted increase in injury risk elsewhere e.g. most would rather roll their ankle than their knee! For him, you pray if you have any injury it IS elsewhere. Context, context, context.
Now let’s get into the clinic. Curry tried playing a little longer, but continued hobbling after turning the foot / ankle.
They take him out of the game and do the standard routine of getting the area retaped. He sits out until after halftime, and comes back in the third quarter. After playing three minutes Steve Kerr takes him out.
Reporter “He lobbied you a few times unsuccessfully to get back in the game. [Steve Kerr smiling.] How hard is it to resist when Steph Curry is making that plea?”
Kerr “It wasn’t a hard decision. I watched him the first three minutes of the third quarter. He was limping, and he did not look good, so the decision was easy. The great thing with Steph is that as the MVP, superstar player, he lobbies me, I say no, and that’s the end of it. He’s just so coachable…”
From here.
Steve Kerr is the man, even if he lied. “he lobbies me, I say no, and that’s the end of it.” But that isn’t true. In the original question, and it’s been repeatedly said, Steph asked Steve repeatedly to get back in the game. Kerr had to tell Curry no more than once.
We’re not knocking anybody here. Curry is doing what athletes do: try and play. Kerr is doing what a phenomenal coach does: genuinely have the athlete’s best interest in mind, and show who decides who plays; who is boss. The coach, not the player. Kerr did this yet made Steph look good in the interview. He didn’t say Steph showed some defiance trying to get back in multiple times. He said Steph was so coachable. This is a coach you want to play for.
This is why athletes need coaches. They cannot, cannot, cannot, manage themselves. Plus they’re put in a hopeless position. Say Steph does the smart thing and says “Sorry, I can’t play guys.” Ok, but then the other players see a guy who isn’t limping while walking around, and according to reports had no noticeable swelling after the game. That, to many players, is an ankle / foot sprain you play with.
So if he does the smart thing and sits himself, he may very well cause animosity amongst his teammates. “Suck it up dude / tape it even more / tie your shoes tighter / take some Advil / get a cortisone shot. It’s the damn playoffs bruh.” But if he just puts himself out there he risks really jacking himself up. We need an intermediary- the coach. Yes, the team has a medical staff, but their opinion often goes in one ear and out the ass. Ultimately, the coach decides if a player is allowed to play, because a player will almost always say they’re going to play, and it’s their body. Just like you go to your own doctor and he says “Don’t do X,” it’s not like they can genuinely make you not do X.
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Steph Curry before game two:
“Right now, don’t see a scenario where I’ll be out. Obviously if it’s not right and I’m at risk of further injury or what not, that’s the only thing that we’ll have to worry about. Pain tolerance and all that stuff, I kind of know what I can deal with on the court. But you don’t want anything more serious to happen, favoring an ankle or what not. So that’s what we’ll kind of pay attention to the next two days.”
Sounds like he’s playing. Steve Kerr before game two:
“I’d say Steph is questionable.”
Notice the disconnect. It’s not like they aren’t talking to one another. Curry warms up for game two and half way through the warm-up stops. Somewhere in that time period a decision was made he wasn’t playing. My guess is something along the lines of somebody told him, “If you feel anything, or it’s not loosening up, stop warming up.” Unfortunately it’s not clear if somebody was watching him and had him stop. It does seem like he stopped himself though. Regardless, he doesn’t play game two.
Let’s think back to when Kyrie Irving was out of the playoffs last year. Matt Dellavedova was his back up. Delly had been playing 20.5 minutes in the regular season. After Kyrie Irving goes out? He goes from 9 minutes in game one, to an enormous 42 minutes in game two, and 38 in game three. The guy had to go to the hospital after game three because of this.
What does Steve Kerr do with Shaun Livingston, Steph Curry’s backup? Livingston played 19.5 minutes in the regular season. Repeatedly the announcers say in game two, “We’ve been told Livingston will play no more than 30 minutes. The Warriors don’t want to ramp up his minutes too much.”
Beautiful! Even in game three against the Rockets, in the fourth quarter when the Warriors clearly needed Livingston, nope, he only has six minutes left he can play, so Kerr doesn’t let him in until there are six minutes left in the game.
Simple, but incredibly hard in practice to pull off. Kerr is not mortgaging his player’s health on a few games or one playoff series. David Blatt and the Cavs couldn’t have cared less about their players last year. “We just gotta suck it up.” Sure. Because physiology is strictly will power #LogicFail.
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The day before game three; Curry:
“Based on how I feel right now I probably couldn’t play.”
But he was hopeful for the next day. So much so…
Steph is media savvy and a good teammate. Before game three he’s probably thinking to stay with the narrative of the coaching staff. Not wanting to conflict someone or leave someone like Kerr out to dry. But inside his head he’s thinking, “I’m effing playing.”
Now we’re really going to show Steve Kerr knows what he’s doing.
“It’s funny because people say: `Just give him like two weeks off his ankle will be fine,”‘ Kerr said with a laugh. “Yeah, but what about his shooting arm? What about his handle? Players want to play. So there’s always a rest versus rhythm equation in there somewhere that we have to factor in.”
So even though he’s not limping and felt solid before game three,
“We talked to him after shootaround today, and he felt pretty good,” Kerr said. “He moved well. He wanted to play. But ultimately, we didn’t feel comfortable after four straight days of inactivity, throwing him into the middle of a playoff game, not knowing how the ankle would respond.”
The decision to sit did not originate with Curry, according to Kerr.
“His thought was that he would be OK,” Kerr said. “We just felt a lot more comfortable putting him through a 3-on-3 tomorrow, probably a 5-on-5 on Saturday and really seeing if he’s OK or not.”
Yes! You don’t take time off from an injury then, once pain has subsided, immediately go into the level of activity you were doing. You build back into it. In this case, 3 on 3, then 5 on 5, then a game. 3 on 3 is less people / traffic to deal with and less running, 5 on 5 is less intense than a game. It’s tedious but way better health wise. You give time for the injured area to adapt back to normalcy, and if there’s an issue you want to find out about it in a less intense setting.
This is the biggest mistake recreational athletes make, which also applies to professionals. What did Kyrie Irving do after taking some time off from his knee injury? Play 44 minutes! He came back from injury and played more than usual! (It will be interesting to see how many minutes Curry plays in the game he comes back. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s less than his average. Though if he plays game four, then a week of no play isn’t that much time to worry about.)
And this isn’t special to Stephen Curry. Curry two days before game four:
“It was kind of a normal practice protocol for guys coming back off injury and guys who don’t get a ton of minutes to come in and get some 3 on 3 work…”
A lot of reports have harped on this is Steph Curry so the Warriors are being extra cautious, but really they’re handling him like they handle any hurt guy. Which is how you should do it. You don’t handle someone differently because they’re better at shooting than someone else. You are maybe more cautious with his past issues, but that doesn’t mean they’d be giving any guy, like Klay Thompson, free license to come back in and play in pain. They clearly want their guys feeling good when they play. Beyond football where if you never played in pain you’d never play, this is how most sports should do things. Where many injuries, chronic ones in particular, are not freak things. They’re a result of mismanagement. One week things don’t magically turn into month after month long things.
While likely the whole Warriors staff deserves credit, Kerr is at the top of the decision maker hierarchy in this regard. He’s the filter of all the differing opinions. Steph’s, medical staff, assistance coaches, GM, owner, the janitor yelling at him, fans who are a little more nervous now after losing a game, media who are going to push him with questions like “Does the urgency to bring Steph back increase now that you’ve lost a game?” Kudos to him for doing it right.
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Denny Kam
April 22, 2016
Thanks for writing this post! I have learned a lot!
reddyb
April 24, 2016
Glad you liked it.
John
April 23, 2016
Just a quick question, do you personally think that GSW will win this year’s playoffs? I got my money in stake for them.
Can’t Spurs or Cavs outwin them? I’m also considering injury management, which looks best in GSW as they manage to rotate squad and so on, but I don’t know how it’s with Spurs and Cavs this season.
reddyb
April 24, 2016
I think the Cavs are going to have a very hard time winning it. I’m biased as a Lebron hater, but I just don’t think they have the cohesiveness the Warriors or Spurs have. They had a lot of trouble managing their players last year, but they also had a lot of injuries. I’m trying to keep up with their games to see how they approach things this year. Lebron seems to have the mentality of once it’s the playoffs, thinking he can play 40+ minutes. That worked initially last year, but then the depth of the Warriors caught up with them. Wonder if something similar will happen this year.
If I were putting money down, then I’m with you, it’d be on Golden State. When you only lose 9 games all season, never once losing back to back, it’s hard for me to see them losing four games in one series. Plus their losses were I think to pretty much all bad teams. They nearly swept all the good teams they played. The Spurs could be tough though. Popovich manages a team as well as anybody. Seems Kerr has taken a lot of the principles he learned playing for him and used them with the Warriors.
Should be a fun playoffs here soon! I’m going to see if I can make it to Oracle and watch one of the playoff games.
John
April 24, 2016
Lucky you to have a chance to watch it live! What’s that with Curry? Last game made only 2 of 9 shots and only 1 of 7 threes..rare! And then sprained his right knee and left limping and stopped playing. I just hope he gets back with no limitations.
reddyb
April 26, 2016
Considering how he usually plays and how he played the first game- 8 of 13 FG; 5 of 7 3pt in only 19 minutes- makes sense after a week off he was still getting back in the flow of things. Unfortunately by the time he’s back in the flow of playing again he slips on some sweat on the floor. If you saw the injury he’s very fortunate a grade I sprain is all he had. The position his knee was put in is how many blow their knee out.
Wild playoffs now after Paul and Griffin had to come out last night. Warriors are going to have to hold on for a bit here, but they might be able to take Portland or a Paul-less Clippers.
Your man Westbrook is going to have to play the series of his life against the Spurs!
John
May 12, 2016
OKC and Westbrook are doing very well so far!
And Curry is amazing again, glad for that. He was lucky to pass that knee injury with no serious consequences.
Conference final between GSW and OKC would be nice, although I will root for GSW because of my stake. Too bad LAC couldn’t make it further.
reddyb
May 13, 2016
Was shocked OKC beat the Spurs three times in a row. Looking forward to the series. Meanwhile Cleveland marches through creampuffs!
I hear the Warriors are hungry to play Cleveland again. Can’t wait to see how they look as the potential for that grows. Feel like they’ve been taking it easy some, but now it’s time to kick it in to high gear.
Feel really bad for Chris Paul. Last two years guy gets hurt at the worst time of the year. One of those guys you really want to see win a championship, but it’s not looking like it’s in the cards for him.
John
May 17, 2016
Although I’m Westbrooks fan and otherwise would dig for OKC, I’m afraid of my stake now. Oklahoma is so dynamic, Golden State didn’t have real test until now, they were just like effortlessly passing through, and OKC looks more hungry for win to me. Losing whole second half at home court is not a good sign. GSW gotta take over the control.
reddyb
May 17, 2016
Agreed! They had a chance to really step on OKC there but let them go. They seem to have some of that “Eh, we’ll turn it on when we feel like it” mentality. Dangerous approach. While Westbrook had that great third quarter, him and Durant actually played pretty poorly for them, yet still won. Glad I’m not a gambling person because I’d be having an anxiety attack right about now.
And then Cleveland might march through Toronto no problem.
As Popovich says, GSW is going to have start showing some nasty! (Something Westbrook always shows.)
John
May 31, 2016
I’m so lucky, at 1-3 I was putting all of my hopes to the bin. Firs,t Westbrook was laughing at what Durant said about Curry’s defence that he doesn’t guard best guards, but Westbrook’s defence in game 6 was just awful. Might be a part of GSW tactics to save more energy for Curry´s offence instead of chasing Westbrook.
But I don’t get if Westbrook was tired or just not willing to defend. But they could win the series, so he should have had defend in every case. Also Durant’s offence was bad, while Klay hit everything he could. Westbrook’s last game SP was trash.
I know you hate Lebron, but I’m excited to see what he does in finals.
reddyb
May 31, 2016
One thing that’s great about basketball is every now and then a guy, or two in Golden State’s case, can say “I’m not losing.” Klay even more than Steph this series seemed to be that way. The guy just refused to go home. Awesome stuff to watch.
The whole Westbrook / Curry thing got pretty silly. Westbrook isn’t even the best player on his team while Curry just won back to back MVPs, and lead the league in steals this year. Westbrook is great and really a lot of fun to watch, but so is a dude who throws 100 mph pitches every pitch.
I’m not sure when it was first revealed, but it seemed the first time they finally let on that Curry wasn’t fully healthy was last night when they said he got an injection in his elbow before game 6. Kerr and Curry kept insisting he was healthy, but if you’re getting an injection you’re obviously not. The guy *destroyed* OKC back in February, but everybody was freaking out for a few days that he suddenly can’t play against Westbrook. When he was missing free throws is when I figured something was up. Then next thing you know he sets the NBA record for 3 pointers in a series. Plus Curry’s defense was quite good- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russell-westbrook-was-wrong-to-laugh-at-stephen-currys-defense_us_57485fb7e4b0dacf7ad4a737
I really thought the 3 days off after game two hurt the Warriors because it allowed OKC to rest. One thing I was wondering the whole time was once they started playing every other night if Durant and Westbook would get tired as the series went on. Seeing game five in person I definitely felt they were. As the game went on it seemed there was more and more leaning over with the hands on thighs. Westbrook more so than Durant, which would make sense considering how Russ plays. This is where Kerr really shined. He refused to give in and play his starters more than usual, still giving them their rest. (I thought it would have been worth playing his starters more in the games they got blown out, just to keep Durant / Westbrook on the floor more.)
Excited to see Lebron and the finals too. I more dislike all his non-basketball stuff, the complaining, how he handles the media, etc. Can’t deny the guy is a great player. Basketball wise the only thing that gets me is how bad of a shooter he can be. This playoffs he’s looked particularly shakey. Good thing if you’re GSW. Though the multiple days between so many games may make fatigue less of a factor. Think the coaching match up will be another good one to keep an eye on. If I’m Golden State I’m making Oracle a few degrees hotter to smoke Lebron out!
John
June 15, 2016
Finals are pretty exciting too. But I’d be happier if it’d had ended 3-1, gonna be interesting. Started to hate LeBron a bit, stepping over Green and begging for him to get punished was so childish and lebronish. And of course one match off for Green is great move for marketing purposes. GS without Green were weak at defending, Curry and Thompson not doing very good at offense and LeBron with best shooting of his life and some amazing blocks. That was nice to watch. Kyrie in form too. Hope GS will take over next match but it’s in Cleveland so if not, the game 7 will be definitely their. With Green.
Too bad Curry is still having issues with that knee, he won’t be at Olympics, neither probably Westbrook and Harden will, Griffin injured, LeBron saying he’s afraid of zika virus..but I’m looking forward to it anyways.
reddyb
June 17, 2016
The Draymond suspension was brutal. Then Bogut goes down, Lebron and Kyrie shoot as well as they’ve ever shot, then Iguodola gets back spasms during game 6. Golden State is really beat up right now. Though I’m sure the city of Cleveland doesn’t care after last year!
Hoping at least Iguodola is good to go for game 7. Going to be a tough one. Oracle should be insane though.