The highest I’ve seen Lebron get is his head to the top of the rim.
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It’s possible he can jump higher than this. That he’s only jumped this high in a game because there is no extra benefit in getting higher. But I think this probably right about his limit. In his indefatigable quest to disappoint people, he’s never done a slam dunk contest. So games are all we have to go by. But as likely the most videoed athlete of all-time, I’d be surprised if someone hasn’t caught him getting higher than the rim by this point.
Lebron is listed everywhere at 6’8″, except for draft express, a repository of NBA draft information. They have him listed as 6’7.25″, but 6’8″ with shoes on. Draft information is often the most accurate. Nobody wants misinformation when millions of dollars are on the line. But Lebron was only 18 at the draft, so he may have grown a little post-draft. We’ll say he’s 6’8″, and add an extra inch for footwear. If you look at enough draft profiles, an inch give or take a quarter inch, is typically what these guys gain from footwear.
The rim is 10 feet high.
- 6’9″ = 81 inches
- 10′ = 120 inches
- 120 inches – 81 inches = 39 inches.
This is not Lebron James’ vertical jump. A pure vertical jump is with no run up.
This 39 inches would be “vertical jump with run up.”
Or the difference between a vertical jump with no step and one with multiple steps. Multiple step vertical jumps are often as many steps as the person wants.
This matters because 1) there is a lot of misinformation on this. When describing Lebron’s vertical jump, Business Insider wrote he can get to 40 inches, while the NBA average is 28. Because Business Insider is attracted to hyperbole like ants to sugar, they are misreporting.
Look at all the vert with steps -“Max Vert”- numbers from the NBA combine this year, and you’ll see one guy is below 28. The average is certainly not 28:
If we look at max vert numbers from all the combines, which is going to include lesser players than only the official combine, a huge majority are still above 28:
The guys not from the NBA combine are unlikely to make the NBA, and bottom barrel of jumpers are the guys least likely to be in the NBA, not the most likely, which is what would need to occur for the average to only be 28.
2) There is going to be a difference between the two jumps. A standing jump is going to cover less vertical distance. How much depends on 3) some guys jump much, much better off one foot than two. A vertical jump with no step, to be at all decent, requires a two footed jump. A vertical jump with a run up can go with one or two feet.
Some people just cannot jump off two feet, but can still get up there off one, with a run up. I’m personally like this. My roommate in college, who I also went to high school with, was a very fast guy, and won the state long jump. He couldn’t jump for shit off two feet. If you only measured his vertical jump with no step, he was mediocre. Get him off one foot, like sprinting or a long jump, and he was in the top 1%.
The freaks can do it all. They can not only jump off both feet at the same time, they can get up off their right or left leg. If you’ve ever examined jumping in some detail, and came across someone like this, it’s truly unusual. There really aren’t many of these people out there. I played with one guy who could do this in high school. He’s the only one I’ve personally known who could do it all, and do it very well.
Lebron James rarely 1) jumps off two feet 2) can’t jump off his right foot. When he needs to get up there, he has a main go-to: his left foot. This is pretty common for 1) right handed people 2) guys who are more “plyo” people opposed to “strength” people. (Kelly Baggett has good info on this.)
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What’s a typical difference between no step jumping and multiple step jumping?
Let’s put Lebron in the upper echelon of jumpers. For these guys, what’s a typical difference between different styles of jumping?
Looking at the top jumpers of the 2015 NBA combine:
Type- Vertical, no steps | Vertical, multiple steps
1) J. Anderson 38 1) P. Connaughton 44
2) P. Connaughton 37.5 2) J. Threatt 43
3) J. Williams 35 3) J. Anderson 43
4) K.T. Harrell 35 4) M. Thornton 43
5) K. Oubre 34.5 5) K. Sykes 43
6) J.P Tokoto 34.5 6) R. Boatright 41
7) J. Young 34.5 7) N. Powell 40.5
8) M. Thornton 34.5 8) J. Young 40.5
9) K. Sykes 34 9) J.P. Tokoto 40
10) K. Cochran 34 10) M. Qualis 39.5
First, basketball players really are not great vertical jumpers unless they have a run up. My college football team would easily have had five of the top spots in the vertical jump with no step. And I only played D-1 AA. For comparison, the top ten vertical jumpers at the 2015 NFL combine. This is no run up:
1. C. Conley 45
2. B. Jones 44.5
3. A. Abdullah 42.5
4. D. Tull 42.5
5. B. Dupree 42
6. J. Strong 42
7. K. Bell 41.5
8. R. Darby 41.5
9. K. Johnson 41.5
10. D. Johnson 41.5
Nobody in the top 10 of the NBA draft would even be in the top 10 of the NFL draft. The NFL has more than 15 guys over 40 inches! The NBA has zero! That’s not “NFL players are somewhat better jumpers than NBA players,” that’s “NFL players destroy NBA players in vertical jumping.”
Second, for the NBA combine, Lebron wouldn’t make the top 10 on the vertical jump with run up. In what is his strongest form of jumping, plenty of others get higher than him.
Third, we already know when Lebron or reporters say he can jump 40 inches, (t)he(y) means with a run up, or they don’t know what they’re saying, or they’re lying, or he does what no one else does, which is jump higher without a run up. (He doesn’t.)
Fourth, only five names make both lists for the NBA combine. Even for those who make both, there are sizable differences between the two:
- J. Anderson +5 (gains 5 inches when using a run up)
- J.P. Tokoto +5.5
- J. Young +6
- P. Connaughton +6.5
- K. Sykes +9
Let’s look at how much of a drop off there is for the top guys in the multiple steps category, who aren’t in the no steps top 10. We could call this group “those who get a lot out of a run up”:
- J. Threatt goes from 32 to 43 inches (9)
- M. Thornton 34.5 to 43 (8.5)
- R. Boatright 32 to 41 (9)
- N. Powell 32.5 to 40.5 (8)
-> I took out M. Qualis because his max vert with no steps is 34, putting him in the top 10 of both groups.
That’s an average difference of 8.6 inches. By jumping from a standstill with two feet, these guys, on average, jump 20% less. I highly suspect Lebron fits right into this group. Again, he rarely relies on jumping off two feet, unless he has to. (Minimal run-up.) Even in what is his most famous two footed jump, his block on Tiago Splitter, his head is nowhere near as high as it gets in his left footed take off:
His head doesn’t reach the backboard, never mind the rim. The Tiago Splitter block also has a brief run up before the vertical. This little bounce only helps:
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Watching some his best blocks, where he’s more likely to jump off two feet, the backboard, give or take a little, is as high as I’ve seen him get.
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-> If you feel you see him get higher, does he have an even greater run up than the Splitter block? Which is as much a pure vertical I’ve seen from him. And don’t forget low camera angles make a person seem higher than they are.
The height of the backboard is ~114 inches. Six below the rim.
Lebron is getting ~3 inches below the backboard in the Splitter block. Six inches below the rim + three inches below the backboard = Lebron nine inches below the rim. We could conceivably say,
- 39 inches – 9 inches = 30 inch vertical off two feet with a brief run up
Let’s go back to percentage differences. We saw a 20% drop-off was the average for those who get a lot out of a run up. For James’ sake, if it were only a 15% difference:
- 39 inches * 0.15 = 5.85
- 39 – 5.85 = 33.15 inches
We’ll call it 33 inches, with that more than likely being generous. I’d be surprised if it were below 30, as 9 inches seems to be a rough max for how much of a drop off a guy will get.
Keep in mind, 15% is what the top jumpers are experiencing, such as P. Connaughton (jumps higher than James) and J.P. Tokoto. J. Anderson is at 12%. At 20%, Lebron’s vertical would be more like 31 inches.
30-33 inches for Lebron James’ vertical jump seems right.
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Is Lebron really that athletic?
30-33 inches is the land of “meh” jumping ability. Put more bluntly, plenty of white dudes can hit this. Matt Leinart and Tim Tebow jumped higher than this!
At 39 inches, Lebron James would almost be in the top 10 for a vertical jump with run up, in the NBA. (NFL players would likely whoop him.) This is only in comparison to 2015. In 2015, 2014 and 2013, he wouldn’t have made the top 10. While Lebron can jump, plenty can jump as well, or better, than he can. Every year, between only the NFL and NBA combines, there are probably ~30 guys who can jump higher than he can. Maybe 40-50 who can jump as high or higher. It’s hardly worth fretting over Lebron’s jumping ability. The only admiration we should have here is the admiration we have for all athletes at this level: In comparison to the general population, these guys are very rare.
Nobody in the top 10 of the vertical jump in 2015 come anywhere near Lebron’s height though. Going back to 2008, I count only six guys from the NBA combine who can jump like him and are of a similar height. The fact he is the size he is, and can jump, is where he stands out. (NFL players included.) His athleticism in itself is not that impressive, unless you consider his size as well. (Even so, he does have a few peers.) This is interesting because size isn’t really an athletic measurement by itself. Nobody says bodybuilders are athletic. Nobody says seven footers are athletic purely based on being seven foot. Contrast this to speed. If you’re very fast, you’re already considered to be a certain degree of athletic.
This is where one could conceivably debate how good of a pure athlete Lebron really is. Many have said he’s the best pure athlete of all-time. I’ve even thought that at times. For a long time, many referenced Lebron was a better athlete than basketball player. This is primarily because of what was for a long time, a pretty poor jump shot. It’s still not great -e.g. his three point shooting is below the NBA average- nor is his free throw shooting (hasn’t improved ever), but his field goal shooting overall has improved.
Based on the above though, one could argue Lebron isn’t that great of an athlete compared to his peers. He’s a freak amongst regular people, but athletically, plenty are at his level, or above. (Same thing with Adrian Peterson.) Of course, there is more to athleticism than jumping. For those who can jump like him, can they run like him, do they have his hand-eye coordination? Even with all that, there’s probably at least one Lebron type on every NFL team, if not more. And at least one similar guy in the NBA draft every year (on average). The guy I played with in high school, who could jump off either or both feet, and as high as Lebron, never made it to the NBA or NFL. He didn’t even start on our high school team. Maybe Lebron should have gotten more credit for his basketball prowess early on.
The other argument here is Lebron is damn lucky. Most athletes at this level are, but Lebron is an extreme case. Somehow, he got the perfect mixture of height and jumping ability for basketball. Plenty of his peers are his height and size, plenty jump as well as him; very few have both. If you got to build a player from the neck down, it’d probably look like him. Combine this with staying healthy, going to prep school, being on a good enough team with good enough coaching to win state championships, finding the right woman as a teenager (don’t underestimate the significance of this- many careers are distracted, if not derailed, by chasing tail)…If you could build a player from the neck down, and got to dictate his upbringing, it would probably still be Lebron.
-> The poverty argument doesn’t hold. Lebron was so famous so young, compared to other guys, I don’t think he had it that bad. When you’re 6’8″, 250lbs at 18 years old, you can’t be too short on things. It takes adequate nutrition, and what couldn’t have been too much stress, to get that big.
Having some disadvantages in one’s youth can, long-term, prove advantageous. It provides that metaphorical hunger which is hard to emulate when you already have everything. Lebron may have had just the right mix of all this growing up. Enough to not be short on basic resources, but not too much to miss the hunger. “Give them enough to do anything, but not so much they do nothing.” (Warren Buffet on giving his kids money.)
Watching Lebron into his 30s will be interesting, because that jumping (and running) ability is going to go at some point. I think this period may be the most appropriate time to compare him to Jordan, and his true ability as a basketball player. If he can still dominate with his skill, then fair enough. But I’ve yet to see that guy dominate a series with his skill and not his physicality. Jordan made this transition (and dominated with his psyche, something Lebron straight-up doesn’t have), as did Kobe (also with his psyche, although it’s proven to be detrimental as nobody wants to play with Kobe now), we’ll see if James can.
My hunch is at some point, teams won’t have to bother with having a smaller guy guard Lebron, worrying about his driving ability. Plenty of teams are already willing to let him take jump shots all day, as his lack of shooting ability seems to take care of itself. Once they don’t have to worry about him blowing by people, they’ll be able to right away put a bigger body on him. I doubt Lebron is, on a regular basis, going to do damage when people his size are guarding him in the post, but who knows.
It’s like how Shaq is judged. People can’t mention him without mentioning his physical stature. He is considered a force of nature more than a skilled basketball player. There’s no clinic you can go to to learn how to play like Shaq. Tim Duncan on the other hand…
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Julian
July 22, 2015
Great article! Lebron is a gifted athlete but because he has all the physical tools but I’m sure he works very hard to be that good. And wow a Tim Duncan reference! Might be a first for The Big Fundamental. Speaking of which, why do you think he can stay so good so long. Do you have any insight or thoughts why he has stayed so good?
Thanks for all the good info you put out.
reddyb
July 22, 2015
Thanks Julian!
Tim Duncan’s longevity is impressive as hell, and certainly interesting.
-I think his height is a big reason for it. Losing quickness isn’t as big of a deal when you’re that tall.
-Going with the above, the NBA seems to have gotten smaller and smaller since Duncan got in the league. His being seven foot is even more of an advantage than it was.
-As his nickname implies, beyond being tall, he never really overwhelmed people physically. He’s never been a tank like Shaq, so he never took that type of beating, or inflicted it. It’s harder to keep that style of play up as you get older. Plus, his primary skill set, the fundamentals, isn’t something which really deteriorates. At least not compared to standard athletic qualities.
-Popovich has managed him, and the rest of that team, very well. I’m not sure any other coach in the NBA would have had the balls to be the first coach to say I’m sitting my starters tonight.
-I don’t remember the exact length, but I believe it’s about three months every year, after the season, that he takes and plays zero basketball. He does a bunch of other things, all in the Virgin Islands I believe. Swimming being a big one if I remember correctly. This is something a lot of the young guys screw up. They play 12 months a year. While Duncan may be much older than a lot of players, if we did the math, I’d bet a lot of guys even only in their late 20s have just as many, if not more, miles on their legs, due to not taking time off the court. (e.g. every four years, Duncan has an entire year less of basketball pounding on his body, compared to many other guys who take zero time off.)
This is a lesson Kobe, and honestly a lot of the league, can’t seem to learn. I would have thought the last few years many teams would copy the Spurs. While some have here and there, I’m surprised it hasn’t been more. These guys complain incessantly about back to back games, yet few teams say, “We’re giving 3 or 4 guys the night off.” Plus it helps prepare the bench players, who we’ve seen through Golden State and the Spurs, you end up really needing in the playoffs. The “best player on the best team” theory has not held the last couple years. Lebron is a great athlete, but even he’s not as fast, and can’t jump as high, as the ball. Nor can he play 48 minutes every game.
Holy
May 14, 2016
The true measurement of vertical leap would be the difference between ones highest reach (arms stretched up as high as they can) vs their highest reach off the jump.
reddyb
May 17, 2016
That’s correct. And because we don’t have that for Lebron…
Francisco Ariza Padilla
June 22, 2016
In his now famous block with Iguodala his jump for the block, running true, is almost 36″, it is a big jump, running since behind, minute 46, +2 hours of game, 7th game, +100 games in the season…
Yes, probably LJ is not the biggest jumper but he gets really big jumps.
And i think in max jump vertical, 100%, not tired, he could to be jumping perfectly until 44″ or very near.
But i dont talk in a game, i talk in a test jump.
The reference in the games does not mean everything for to tell that he “only” jumps x.
Really it is absurd, because he does not need these jumps in the games.
Regards
reddyb
June 23, 2016
While fatigue can’t be ignored, another way to view this is, in a test jump, is he going to be able to recreate the adrenaline of game seven of the finals, final couple minutes, game tied…To think he could jump 22% higher in a test jump is pushing it.
Francisco Ariza Padilla
June 24, 2016
I understand the factor adrenaline, but he was really tired, 7th game, around 100 games in the season…
Im 100% sure that in a test, 100% full of energy, he can jump really higher.
Around 36″, running, is only a good jump for him, but really he did not need a higher jump, his left hand hits with the basketball hoop, it is very clear in the video.
In the test he would get easily +40″, which whould be his top? I dont know it.
But 30 or 35″, im sure 100% no.
I understand your poinf of view and i respect it, but the references in the games, when a player makes a lot of jumps in each game, is not 100% reference for to tell THEN HE JUMPS IT IN A TEST.
Probably in the most jumps he is jumping, i dont know, 60-70%, and in the big jumps perhaps 80% or a little bit more.
You jump looking a ball so the jump is for that you get the ball and after by example the dunk, he never jumps 100%.
So, in my opinion of course, if you put to Lebron, rested, in good shape, and he makes a test jump, he makes perfecty +40″ , because he only tries to jump to max that he can to get, only it.
In basketball, in a game, he never makes it.
Regards and good article.
reddyb
June 24, 2016
Either you’re not properly distinguishing between types of jumps, or you may have missed certain parts of the article:
I already said he can get 39 inches up. Not sure where you’re getting 36.
I already brought this point up. Are we really going to say the most filmed athlete of all-time has NEVER jumped to 100% of his ability in a game?
Do you have any examples of events where the athletes perform better in tests / practice than in competition in these types of activities? Do 100 meter runners always run better in practice than in the world championships? Football players run faster in a test than in a game with someone chasing them? The olympics is a very, very poor time to try to set a world record. You have all the media obligations, you’ve been traveling, you have to run multiple heats which fatigues you, often have to run multiple events…then why have so many records been set at the olympics? Off the top of my head the world record in the 100m, 200m, 400m and 800m were all set in the olympics. Adrenaline, the stage you’re on, the amount of people watching, matters. A lot.
Jumping looking at a ball tends to get people to jump higher. This is due to what’s called external cueing. Having someone try to go touch something tends to get people to jump higher than telling someone “Jump as high as you can.” You’re contradicting you’re own argument here. Do we think nobody in the history of Lebron’s career has thrown him an alley oop where he had to jump as high as he could to go get it???
Francisco Ariza Padilla
June 24, 2016
Reddy, no, my opinion is that no, Lebron never jumped 100% in a game.
Your comparisons are not same.
Running in 100m and testing by example is other thing.
You are only running.
In a game, your jumps are for control the ball and for dunk in the basket, you are controlling those factors.
In a test you ONLY tries jump all that you can, the higher possible.
In game you dont make it.
Im not contradicting, i have very sure my point of view.
In addition, in a jump 100%, you can not control really good the movement of your body for to make that you want, you are in your limit.
You can make it in a test, vertical jump, you use your hand and touch the higher point.
In a game, all is different, you look the ball, you calculate the movement, jump,… everything and after you jump,..
I have very sure that Lebron never jumped in his career in a GAME 100% that he can in a test, rested, 100%.
That is my opinion, Reddy.
Regards
Thomas Rust
February 25, 2017
Great article.
reddyb
February 25, 2017
Thanks!
Jason
November 15, 2017
Never mind my previous post, wrote it before I read the rest of your article. I realized I’m virtually completely in agreement with you :). Shouldn’t have posted before I finished reading. I do stick with my last statement though- it’s an unfortunate fact of athleticism that you can’t teach or train height. You also can’t slow it down or wear it out over the course of a game. The minor differences in vertical leaps (+/- 4-5 inches) are not enough to overcome a differential of 4-5 inches in combined height/wingspan.
b-reddy
November 17, 2017
Your point about reach is a good one. In regards to fatigue, better to get to a certain height through your reach than through your jumping ability.
The height aspect is interesting though. Have some posts coming about the negative aspects of height, where you actually can get more tired from being taller.
fan
September 18, 2018
I really wonder if you have ever watched this clip. I am sure you underestimated LBJ’s jumping ability
b-reddy
September 18, 2018
That clip is included in the first video of the post. That extra angle does make it look different to me this time, but…
1) It’s worth remembering I didn’t come up with the initial 40 inches. I used some video analysis of the highest I’d seen him get to, and the highest he’s routinely been able to get to, to give some sense where that ~40″ comes from (I came to 39″.) I admitted right off the bat I was estimating.
Still, I don’t think that clip makes the numbers way off. Nor am I sure we should base his jumping ability on a single in-game jump. As I mentioned, angles, footwear, can change how a given jump looks. Can see reddit debate the angle of that picture and how high he really was, with many coming back to ~40″: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/6mcazy/lebron_james_near_4_foot_vertical/
2) Once again, that clip is with a run-up, not a pure vertical. The pure vertical is where we really get context for his leaping ability, as it provides a more direct comparison with other athletes.
That said, let’s run with that clip: even if you want give him an extra few inches in run-up ability, and subsequently another few inches in pure vertical ability, the point remains: his jumping isn’t that impressive, with the right context (e.g. NFL players).
Said another way: the 40 inch number seems to revolve around Lebron’s ability to routinely get his head around the rim. If we assume a 20% drop-off from run-up to pure vertical, Lebron would have to be able to get his head 10 inches above the rim (50 inch jump with run-up) to give a 40 inch pure vertical.
And, even you if do you say he has a 40″ pure vertical, look at how many NFL athletes jump that high: https://b-reddy.org/how-explosive-is-john-wall/
No matter how you slice this, it’s not like the dude is in a league of his own athletically. (Unless, as I mention in the post, you consider his size.) Tim Tebow nearly jumped 40 inches (pushing 240lbs).
Vrho
July 19, 2019
Theres a video of him with his head way above the rim and he didnt even jump with max effort. Its atleast 45 inches