The most commonly cited reason for stretching the iliotibial (IT) Band is to alleviate knee pain. Before we can state the best way to stretch it, we need to talk about what the IT band is, and then how it influences knee pain.
What is the IT band?
It’s imperative to note the IT band is not a muscle. I’m not sure if people realize this or not, but based on the way people talk about it, and talk about stretching it, I’m pretty sure people often think the IT band were like any other muscle.
It’s not.
Multiple muscles insert into the IT band. So rather than the IT band being a muscle itself, it is a band made of other muscles. The two big muscles comprising the IT band are the gluteus maximus (GM) and tensor fascia latae (TFL).
It is crucial to understand the TFL and GM comprise different portions of the IT band. The TFL comprises the anterior portion and the GM the posterior portion.
Using the Anatomy Trains philosophy from Tom Myers, we can see while the GM and TFL insert into the IT band proximally (starting at the hip), other muscles insert into the IT band distally too (at the knee).
The anterior portion of the IT band connects into the tibialis anterior (TA) while the posterior portion connects into the peroneus longus (PL). Therefore, there is a connection between the TFL and the tibialis anterior, and another connection between the GM and peroneus longus. And all of these insert into one band.
How does it influence knee pain?
This is where it gets a little messier.
The most common cause of knee pain is an imbalance between all these muscles acting on the IT band. Specifically: the TFL is overactive and tight, but the tibialis anterior is underactive and long (remember these two muscles are connected on the anterior portion of the IT band). And then the peroneus longus is overactive and tight, but the GM is underactive and long (these two are connected on the posterior side of the IT band).
By looking at these muscles specific actions we can begin to figure out how pain arises. At the hip, the TFL abducts, flexes, and internally rotates the femur. It also laterally rotates the tibia.
Meanwhile, the GM has almost the complete the opposite effect: Hip extension, lateral rotation of the femur and some possible internal rotation of the tibia.
That is, the TFL and GM have almost completely opposing actions at the hip and knee. This is why most often when one is strong/tight, the other is weak/long.
At the knee: Peroneus longus pronates and plantarflexes the foot and has some effect on lateral rotation of the tibia.
The tibialis anterior helps to supinate and dorisflex the foot and internally rotate the tibia.
That is, the PL and TA have opposing actions at the knee and ankle. In fact, these muscles not only insert at the IT band, they actually form a band together at the bottom of the foot!
Again, indicating when one is strong/tight, the other is weak/long.
Remember, the TFL is dominant over the GM, and the PL is dominant over the TA. Therefore, in terms of movement, we have a dominance of internal rotation of the femur, a dominance of lateral rotation of the tibia, and a dominance of pronation and plantarflexion of the foot.
This is overwhelmingly the predominant cause of knee pain for people. And this is why so many people are trying to stretch their IT band.
However, now we can tell just “stretch the IT band” is a poor remedy. We need to stretch the band in a very specific manner in order to get rid of our knee pain.
The most effective stretch is going to calm down the overactive muscles and wake up the underactive ones. We need to loosen the tensor fascia latae and peroneus longs, but tighten up the gluteus maximus and tibialis anterior. An ideal stretch will combine:
-Hip adduction (loosen TFL)
-Lateral rotation of the femur (loosens TFL and tightens GM)
-Hip extension (loosen TFL and tighten GM)
-Internal rotation of the tibia (loosen TFL and PL, tighten GM and TA)
-As well as ankle dorisflexion and supination of the foot (loosen PL and tighten TA)
Why most IT band stretches fall short
Now that we know what makes an ideal IT band stretch to help get rid of knee pain, we can talk about why some stretches aren’t good. Let’s look at some of the most commonly used IT band stretches:
Breaking this down:
-We have lateral rotation of the femur (good)
-Possibly some internal rotation of the tibia (possibly good)
-Hip Abduction (Uh oh –This tightens the TFL)
-A great deal of hip flexion (Shit –also tightens the TFL and actually stretches the GM. Opposite of what we want.)
-Ankle plantarflexion and no pronation or supination (This isn’t good, but, you could modify this to make it better)
This is actually a fairly good stretch for the posterior aspect of the IT band. But as we’ve dissected at this point, we rarely want this. I’d say at least 95% of people with knee pain / people who need to loosen their IT band don’t want to stretch the posterior part.
Don’t forget about the abdominals
Before criticizing another stretch, this is a good place to talk about the abdominals, specifically the external obliques.
If we agree a tight TFL is a common issue in those with knee pain (if you don’t, you’re wrong), we need to also look at how a tight TFL affects the abdominals. I don’t want to go into another treatise on movement at the hip, but suffice to say much like the TFL and GM have opposing effects on the hip, so do the TFL and external obliques.
That is, the TFL pulls the front of the hip down and the EO pulls the front of the hip up (so do the glutes). In someone with a tight TFL, not only will they potentially have weak glutes, but they will have weak EO too. The result is a lordotic posture:
Therefore, a common effect of trying to stretch the TFL is an associated lordosis. This is because the TFL is tight and doesn’t like being stretched, it’s “stiffer” than the abdominals, so it pulls the hip downward to try and lessen the stretch. Not something we want when we’re trying to loosen that sucker up.
This is my long way of saying when attempting to stretch the TFL -and IT band subsequently- we need to pay careful attention to how the hips and lower back are moving. Ideally, they aren’t. Realistically, they do. This is often a pain in the ass to get people to do properly.
We’ll come back to this. Keep it in mind for now.
The next stretch:
Breaking it down:
-We do have hip extension this time (Much better than the other stretch)
-We have ankle plantarflexion (Not good. But this could be modified in the stretch. Although it still wouldn’t be ideal)
-We have hip adduction (Good)
-We have either a neutral tibia or lateral rotation of the tibia (not good)
-Femur is either in neutral or medial rotation (Not good)
At least this stretch is targeting the TFL portion of the IT band and not the GM portion. However, there are other issues. Referencing the importance of the external obliques, remember how we want the EO to be stiff when we stretch the TFL / IT band to make sure we’re generating as good of a stretch as we can and we’re not achieving movement from the lumbar spine.
You can’t see it in the video, but I guarantee the girl has a lower back arch during that stretch. Look around the internet of people doing this stretch and you find this rather quickly:
Notice the arched lower back? While the TFL / IT band is still being stretched some, we’re not doing anything to concurrently stiffen up the abdominals. Next, due to the lordosis, we’re generating a bit of stretch on the glutes. Finally, we’re also promoting mobility at the lumbar spine. Mobility at the lumbar spine is a precursor to lower back pain.
While you could cue the person to squeeze the abs to prevent the lower back arch, I find people have a really, really hard time with this. They just don’t know when they’re doing it properly, the right way it should feel, etc. It’s like coaching a 40 year old virgin.
Sorry, doctor, but you sir do not have the “world’s best IT band stretch.“
The better way
Breaking this down:
-By making sure the knee does not fall out to the side we have hip adduction (Good)
-A tiny bit of lateral rotation at the femur (Good). More can be accomplished but I find this doesn’t influence the stretch much.
-By letting the leg fall to the ground we let gravity give us hip extension (Good)
-Internal rotation of the tibia from turning the foot in (Good)
-Ankle dorisflexion and supination by pulling the big toe up and in (Good). If you do this last, you’ll notice a difference in the intensity of the stretch between letting your foot fall to the ground (plantarflexion) and pulling it up (dorisflexion). Many people will exclaim they get a better stretch all the way up in the hip just by pulling the foot upward. Further evidence the dorsiflexion and supination is helping to stretch the TFL / IT band and the TFL and TA are connected.
Also, because of the self-feedback mechanism of laying on a bench or table, you always know whether or not your lower back is arching (in lordosis). Therefore, you are guaranteed to know how hard you need to be squeezing your external obliques to make sure there is no compensatory movement at the spine.
Next, by lifting the arms overhead we can also generate a nice stretch in the lats, pecs, and rectus abdominus (all commonly tight). Not really necessary for a stretch aimed at knee pain, but it sure isn’t hurting anything.
BOOM. How’s that for bang for your buck?
With that said, here are the common ways people may mess this up:
1) Letting the foot plantarflex and pronate
You HAVE to make sure your foot is not pointing down and out to the side.
2) Not fully contracting the abdominals
If you’re not feeling any stretch in your hip / thigh it’s almost guaranteed you’re not fully squeezing the abs.
Watch the difference in thigh position when the abs are fully squeezed and when they are relaxed:
Notice the thigh elevates, bringing the hip into flexion, each time the EO are fully contracting. This illustrates tightness in the TFL because when the EO fully contract and posteriorly tilt the pelvis, the TFL is put on stretch. And when it’s put on stretch you can see the tightness by the thigh being pulled off the bench.
One sure fire way to know whether or not your abs are squeezed tight enough is if you’re lower back is flat on the bench. If it’s not, you’re abs aren’t tight enough. It’s worth noting for those with a fair amount of fat on their body, and or lower backs, sometimes they give themselves the “feel” of their lower back being flat when it isn’t. It’s just that their adipose tissue is thick enough to give them that illusion.
If you’re watching someone, it’s best to look at the top of their hips. Do they look angled downward? Like an anterior pelvic tilt? Then the abs aren’t squeezed enough. It’s hard to describe, but you can spot it.
If you’re having trouble with your abs (this is just a sign they’re weak and not strong enough yet) grab your opposite knee and pull it into your chest. This will allow your upper body to help posteriorly tilt your pelvis.
Then you can progress to one arm holding the knee in and the other arm overhead:
And then to both arms overhead.
3) Letting the hip abduct
This will happen due to the TFL not wanting to be stretched and thus pulling the hip into abduction.
For some people adducting the hip to a certain point will cause them to feel pain / pressure in their knee. This signifies that when the TFL is on stretch, knee pain arises. This is verrrry common.
Simply only let your hip adduct to the point where you don’t feel pain. Over time as the TFL loosens up you’ll be able to adduct further and further.
4) Poor posture at the upper body
A lot of people may not be ready to put their arms overhead when they first start doing this stretch. Many just do not have the thoracic mobility yet (or EO strength) to lay their upper back and head fully flat on the bench. Look at the difference in head posture here:
By making sure the chin is tucked you help insure the external obliques are posteriorly tilting the pelvis and not the rectus abominus. When you have that forward head posture and thoracic flexion the RA is in a shortened position. We do not want this. We want to stiffen up the EO, not the RA.
One final note: Don’t expect to feel an insane stretch when you do this. It’s not like you’ll feel like your TFL or thigh is going to rip apart from such a good stretch. Be much more concerned with doing it properly. Often times the biggest thing people feel is a hell of a lot of abdominal work. This is good. Remember, stiffening up the external obliques will indirectly loosen up the TFL.
Hold the stretch for at least 30 seconds.
And I’m out.
Please note the “best” element of this stretch is meant to be a sarcastic play. Understandably, sarcasm doesn’t always land through text. There’s no one magical exercise or stretch for every situation. See the comments for more.
For a more comprehensive look at stretching the IT band see: 6 Exercises to Loosen the IT Band
For a look at meshing this with a running program check out: 6 Weeks To A Healthy 10k
Here are some related posts I’ve written:
- Standing version of the best damn IT Band stretch
- My visit to the Washington University in St. Louis
- Sleep positioning and knee pain
Finally, if you’re tired of sifting through information yourself, get one on one help.




















Kirby P
October 19, 2012
Thank you for this post. I thought to myself “Finally!” as I’ve been in the dark searching for answers for my hip/knee pain. Since adolescence I knew that my feet pointed outwards and I always knew that running was not my forte but never questioned further. As I’ve grown there has been considereable amounts of pain in my left hip. I’ve been to doctors, neurologists, chiropractors and always asked “Could it be that my legs are twisted?” I’ve countlessly demonstrated how I cannot keep my feet forward and bend my legs without my knees knocking and I’ve been continuosly shrugged away. I definitely can see the lordosis in my spine as well. Unfortunately most of my life I’ve avoided physical activity and excercise as its been uncomfortable (I am currently 28 years old, female). Just this past year though I have been making an effort to excercise in hopes that strengthening my muscles will help them. I finally feel like I have a place to start–although I am nervous about receiving incorrect information as it seems like there is a lot of it out there regarding the TFL stretching techniqes.
reddyb
October 19, 2012
Hey Kirby,
I’m glad I’ve helped elucidate some things for you.
Funnily enough, I was going to ask if you were a female before I got done reading your comment.
One thing crucial to keep in mind is not all conditions are fixable. The issues you’re mentioning are particularly common in females. And when it’s been with you your whole life, it very well could be a structural thing you were either born with or acquired so young it’s with you forever.
I would highly encourage you to read this post, particularly the part about Sarah: http://b-reddy.org/2011/10/12/you-cant-always-be-balanced/
As you can see in the video of her in that post, her right knee is especially prone to turning inward (and right foot is especially prone to turning outward). Unfortunately for her, she could do all the IT band stretching she wants but that structural “defect” is not going away.
(Note the use of quotes for defect. Keep in mind for every negative there is a positive, and vice versa. Sarah’s extremely wide hips and odd flexibility have two big benefits: 1) Men are attracted to this and 2) When she has children, she’ll shoot a kid 5 feet out of her at the hospital. Something many women, like those who go through labor for 12 hours, wouldn’t mind.)
That doesn’t mean there isn’t merit in stretching her IT band or strengthening muscles that oppose the IT band / TFL. (Posterior gluteus medius.) Because of her structure, she is more likely to have issues with these muscles. So, if anything, we’re only doing good things for her. However, there is only so much she can accomplish.
Certain things, like running, are just never going to be as friendly to her hips / knees as it would be for someone with a different structure.
Because I don’t want to end on a down note: I’ve been training Sarah for three years, she is 25, is very, very active, and rarely in pain. It’s not like you can’t be active and exercise a ton with a structural issue. You just need to be adjust accordingly.
Hope this helps!
Shelby
November 5, 2012
Hi. I’m new to using this IT Band stretch. Can you suggest an alternative if you don’t have a bench to lie own where you can dangle the one leg? Thanks!
reddyb
November 5, 2012
Here you go: http://b-reddy.org/2012/06/01/standing-version-of-the-best-damn-it-band-stretch/
Shelby Ross
November 6, 2012
Thanks…I’ll give it a try!
See Becca Try to Tri
January 24, 2013
Reblogged this on See Becca Try to Tri and commented:
It is pretty long but it sums up my situation pretty well. Especially how my peroneus is involved in the problem…
reddyb
January 24, 2013
Thanks for the reblog!
See Becca Try to Tri
January 24, 2013
I qualified for Boston in 2011 and I am training to run it this April. I had major IT band issues while I trained for Ironman St. George last year and now it is flaring up on the other side! I am going to really read this post carefully to see if I can fix it. I am giving myself 4 weeks to get healthy otherwise I can’t do the training needed to have a successful Boston Marathon. Thanks for the in-depth post about this.
reddyb
January 24, 2013
Hey Becca,
Congratulations on qualifying.
Give it a read and let me know if you have any questions.
I will be honest with you though, 4 weeks is typically the absolute minimum I give people to feel a noticeable difference in their pain. 4-6 weeks is typically what’s needed. At least. I don’t want to discourage you, only make you aware. (For instance, people will do something for 3 weeks, say it doesn’t work, but if they stuck with it for 6 they may find out at that point they were on the right track all along.)
There’s a lot of information in the comments here too. The most important of which is to remember this stretch by itself is unlikely to be enough to solve your IT band issues. What’s also important to consider is strengthening other muscles (glute max, glute medius) and your exercise form.
For your exercise form it’s crucial to pay attention to the position of your knees when you run and bike.
I have a post on knee positioning while cycling coming up in the next few days. Might be something of use to you.
Best of luck in getting healthy!
-Brian
See Becca Try to Tri
January 24, 2013
I will look for the knee position while cycling for sure. I am doing my “myrtle” type exercise to strengthen my glutes twice a day while I try to salvage this race! I am trying to use what I learned from all the PT I did the first time this happened. Thanks for the quick reply! Nice to find bloggers that respond!
Michele G Rogers
February 5, 2013
Wow. Thank you for that awesomeness. You are the real deal, my friend. I’ve been a personal trainer for 10 years, but never studied exercise science formally. I’ve always had a natural grasp on anatomy, & so have been trying to learn through experience & my own research the relationships between muscles, joints & imbalance. I, myself, have spondylolicthesis, & without outside help, have tried to rebalance my musculoskeletal system intuitively. I’ve made progress, but there have been missing links. Like, completely ignoring the role of the TFL up until a year ago. And now that i just read this post, i see I’m still not hitting it right. I’m also the resident “fixer” at my studio, & many clients presenting with passion are given to me. You may have just become my official cheat-sheet. Keep up the great work, & i intend to keep up with you!
Michele G Rogers
February 5, 2013
P.s., i just placed an order for the dx & tx of movement impairment disorders. 😉 I HAVE THE POWER!
reddyb
February 5, 2013
Thanks Michele.
I have a post on lower back pain / issues coming in the future that may be of use to you as well.
Enjoy the book. It’s a fantastic resource.
Iain
February 14, 2013
Hi
This post seems to have so many answers for me. I have for years now been trying different chiros, physios etc, the best results with a Chiropractor who carried out simple adjustments with a lower force tool.
Essentially, I have left knee pain on the outside(like a throbbing ache), my pelvis twists to the left, my periformis is very tight and active on right side of glute and I have lordosis or a pelvis that is twisted forward.
I tried your stretch last night and found that my abs couldn’t hold it and every breath I found my abs had let the arch into my lower back. Changing to the holding one leg technique, i found my left leg floating about 6 inches in the air at the knee compared to right leg. Did get stretch and relief from all problems listed as follows. (this didn’t hold for long the next day though)
I have a historic disc bulge/herniation at L5/SI and a lot of foot pain on left sole of foot right at front of my heel.
When I have had a good chiro adjustment, my pelvis come straight, forward tilt is gone (belt line comes level) and foot pain disappears (along with left knee pain).
I assume that my abs and glutes are weak but would welcome your thoughts and how to go about strengthening the required muscle groups.
Sick of spending huge dollars at chiro and no relief from pain. (incidentally, I have a twisted and tilted C2 vertebrea…or so says the x-ray 🙂
I used to play golf and love it, but have been giving it a miss due to wanting to get this sorted. I mention the golf as this may have created a pattern. I also used to ‘slide’ through the hip area during down swing which I had started to resist and had great result with golf, but flare up of these problems.
Hope you can help
Thanks
Iain
reddyb
February 15, 2013
Hey Iain,
Golf almost certainly contributed to your issues. One of the inherent issues with golfing is the fact the feet stay planted but the torso rotates (violently). This makes for issues at the pelvis / lower back as the lumbar spine is much more prone to excessive rotation when the feet aren’t moving.
If you’re not able to hold an ab contraction during this stretch then that’s a pretty apparent sign those muscles need some work. The stiffness in your stomach is not enough to offset the stiffness in your hip flexors.
Also, you’ll notice when you can’t hold the ab contraction your lower back is arching, a sign your lower back is probably moving too much, as it was likely doing during golfing. And, if you truly have a twisted pelvis, that’d be another sign your lower back is moving too much.
Without seeing you (pictures / videos) I can’t really say “Do this exercise.” However, if you’re able to send pictures / videos feel free to email me b-reddy@hotmail.com and we may be able to set something up where I can take a closer look at you.
Iain
March 18, 2013
Hi. Thanks so much for your help. Has made a huge difference.
I have been diligently focusing on the stretch for a few weeks now and are seeing some great results. Initially my thigh was nearly at 45 degree angle – now it begins similar to in your video. Your suggestion to let the leg abduct out to the side initially was a great success to stop the knee pain I felt when trying to mimic the video.
Definitely have stronger obliques now and can feel them working during the day. Still get some glute/TFL pain but have zero lower back pain (first time in 6 years).
The core/limb isolation exercises you suggested to train my limbs to work independently of my core are great. Walking now my core is nearly dead still with legs moving freely. The arm raising workout identified an overly tight upper body as my arms struggle to get level with my ears. Potentially tight chest/lats from doing the work of absent abdominals?
Iain
reddyb
March 19, 2013
Hey Iain,
Sorry I haven’t gotten back to your email yet. I’ve been a bit overwhelmed as of late. I will double check it after this to see if there were any other questions I didn’t address.
Great to hear abducting the thigh worked for you. Sounds like you picked this adjustment up quickly.
And great to hear your lower back pain has diminished. That’s fantastic. Kudos to you.
And not necessarily tight chest / lats from them doing work the abs should be doing, more likely they have just been put in a shortened position during the day. Slumping in a chair is one example. Doing things where the arms are always being pulled down is another.
Jeremy performing a ton of deadlifting and squatting is one example of the latter. You can see his shoulders in more detail here: http://b-reddy.org/2013/02/06/example-of-a-postural-assessment-2/
Chris
February 20, 2013
Hi. Thanks for the good info. I’ve had problems with my hips for many years now that started with martial arts. I have pain around the greater trochanter. I’ve been to see a few people about this (physical therapists, sports medicine, chiropractor) etc… without ever really fixing the issue. The consensus seems to be that this is IT band related (and maybe some trochanteric bursitis). This makes sense as I have *really* tight IT bands – my leg doesn’t fall anywhere near as far to the bench as it does in the pictures you have above.
My first question is whether I am doing the stretch correctly. I basically only feel it on the outside of the knee cap. It’s kind of a nasty pressure feeling – not really painful, though. Does this sound right?
My second question is just that I have never gotten a suitable answer to why tight IT bands would hurt in abduction (like a straddle split or side kick). Seems like abduction would loosen the IT band if anything. It seems like a common problem for inflexible people doing martial arts, though. Any thoughts?
Thanks again!
Chris
Chris
February 21, 2013
Sorry. I was thinking about this last night and realized I had left out some important details. The pain started with abduction. When I do a lot of groin stretches, straddle splits, side kicks etc… the outside of my hips get tight and start hurting. Usually the pain goes away if I take it easy but flares up again if I start training a lot. After one practice it got really bad and I was forced to take about a month off. At that point it seemed like “snapping hip syndrome.” Going from hip flexion to extension (like sitting to standing) would cause crazy pain until it popped into place. There was one period for about a year where I didn’t work a desk job and things were dramatically better.
Thanks,
Chris
reddyb
February 21, 2013
Hey Chris,
First, pain at the greater trochanter isn’t where IT Band issues typically manifest; the knee is. Hip issues are often revolve around more issues with the glutes. See here: http://b-reddy.org/2012/10/08/you-shouldnt-stretch-your-hip-flexors-if-you-have-hip-pain/
If hip pain is your primary issue, and you were a client of mine, we would not be doing this stretch. Certainly not for a while (at least a month).
Note to all: This does NOT mean the TFL / IT band is not tight or an issue in hip pain, it very well could be. What this means is this stretch is not usually good way to alleviate hip pain. Certainly not by itself.
To your question: You don’t want to feel any pressure / pain in the knee during this. You may be trying to do this too intensely. By letting the leg abduct during the stretch you should be able to get some relief as you’ll give in to your TFL tightness, which is ok when we’re avoiding pain. (Keep in mind my initial comments on hip pain though!)
Abducting the thigh would not loosen the IT band. The thigh muscles comprising the band -Glute max and TFL- are both thigh abductors. Thus, abducting the thigh tightens the IT band. Take another read of this post. This is discussed extensively.
And take a look at that hip post. I have a feeling some of your questions are answered there. Especially regarding sitting and hip socket issues.
Let me know how that goes.
Chris
February 21, 2013
Thanks for your reply. I have been reading around your site and read the hip pain post today. Very interesting.
I guess when I said loosening the IT band while abducting, I meant not stretching it. Now that you say abduction actually tightens it, it makes sense, but it seems like something like a static straddle split isn’t using actively tightening the abductor muscles even though they are shortening. And the stretch is in the adductors at that point. Wouldn’t pain / injury normally occur to the muscles that are being stretched? So I still can’t figure out what / where that pain comes from during that exercise.
Anyway, thanks again for the reply and all the great content. I’ll spend some more time on the hip article and start working on the backward rocking and toddler squat. I have a hard time sitting in toddler squat without falling backward so there is definitely some room for improvement there.
Thanks again,
Christian
reddyb
February 22, 2013
Re: Wouldn’t pain / injury normally occur to the muscles that are being stretched?
Not necessarily. Sometimes the muscle that is tightening, say, the TFL in this case, may provoke pain because it is being used too much / too often.
swe_mike
March 5, 2013
Hi, thx for some excellent articles, its nice get the nuts and bolts explained instead of the usual “do this” approch. I been running for 5 years and done alot of trail running, mountain marathons etc. Since about 1 year I suffered from IT band symptoms on my right knee.
It started in December 2012 and from then I visited numerous chiropractors, doctors, physical therapists and got bits and pieces of information but never the “full picture”. I got explanations the cause of my kneepain are anything from weak hamstrings to thigh quadriceps, pronation, weak core, tight lower back, tilted pelvis, etc etc and im really confused. The pain is sometimes at the typical IT band spot on the outside of the knee but sometimes around, under or over the knee cap or even on top of the kneecap. Stretching the quad and especially the upper part of the quad / hip has helped but I feel like im more the normally flexibel. I train alot and very alternative. Doing alot of core and running related strengthening and stretching and also some yin yoga.
Trying the IT band stretch I dont really feel anything on the knee but also when I keep my abs thigh my leg is 1-2 cm above the bench, trying to push the toes up and in but i feel mostly in my gluteus maxium and nothing around the knee. Do I do this right or should I get someone to help push the leg down/inwards ?
reddyb
March 5, 2013
Don’t have someone push the knee down. Gravity will take care of this for you.
Many times you don’t feel anything at the knee during this stretch. I go over this a good amount in the article.
Without seeing you I can’t say what the cause of your knee pain is. All I can say is issues with the IT Band very often accommodate knee pain.
swe_mike
March 7, 2013
Thanks for the feedback. I been working on this stretch every day and I think I got the hang of it. I can feel tention over the outside of the knee when pulling my big toe up/inwards. Also pushed the foot backwards increases the stretch. Had to work alot harded with keeping the abs thigh then I though, pulling the other leg towards the stomache helps too. My next question is how often should I do this stretch, I usually train every day but its a mix of mtb,running, rowing, gym. Should I do it several times a day or would that be contra-productive? I can definatly feel something is going on in the knee after I stated to do this afew times per day, I got a constant “feel” of it now,before I felt nothing during rest but some pain during running.
reddyb
March 13, 2013
Something around 4 times a day for 30-45s usually works.
Michael
March 5, 2013
Hi Reddyb Im so happy to find this page….Im a boxer & I do ALOT of running and skipping, I actually think it was the skipping was what caused my knee pain. I do alot of one legged tricks and while I am learning the trick I am not the most graceful and can land quite hard and awkwardly on my leg couple that with pushing myself too hard probably caused my issues.
I have been out for 10 weeks now at first the pain was everywhere in my knee which was also swollen but since my rest it has got better. I do have what I think is a swollen Peroneus Longus if I attempt to run up the stairs I feel this not in terms of pain but perhaps a twinge would be best to describe it.
However when I do a squat I feel a slight tightness in my vastus medialis too.
I have been using a foam roller for the past week and I also found my hamstring was bothering me too – Im falling apart lol!
Im going to try this stretch for the IT band can you suggest any other stretches or exercises to strengthen my knee or muscles mentioned because I feel Im 80 – 90% back but I have been doing alot of stretches and clearly from your post some are counterproductive
Thanks in advance
reddyb
March 5, 2013
Hey Michael,
Check out the links at the bottom of this article i.e. look up these posts:
-Standing version of the best damn IT Band stretch
-A better quad stretch
-My visit to the Washington University in St. Louis
-Sleep without knee pain
There’s quite a bit on knee issues in those. You could also just click the “Knee Pain” category too.
Let me know how that goes for you.
Michael
March 7, 2013
Hey Reddyb
Thanks for the reply by the time you responded I had already found a couple of those links the better quad stretch is great. I don’t know if I have this IT stretch master in other IT band stretches I have performed I feel the stretch is far more obvious, can you tell me what I should be feeling and where as Im not convinced Im doing it correctly even though I had my wife watch me and compare to the video everything looks right but it doesnt feel how I imagine it should?
reddyb
March 13, 2013
I just did CTRL + F for the word “feel” and found the word 65 times. Might want to start there.
Amelia Scott
March 5, 2013
What are you thoughts about how to relieve the extremely tight band feeling around front part of knee after total knee replacement 14 weeks ago. I feel like my leg has been amputated and a new one is tied on too too tight. It is driving me crazy!!!
reddyb
March 5, 2013
Hey Amelia,
Working with knee replacements only a few months post op is not something I do on a regular basis, just FYI. If you’re able to get in position, the stretch in this post is a certainly a good one.
As well are these ones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQtwSLjwUjU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYi0z5BzlUU
More on the last one can be found here: b-reddy.org/2012/06/01/standing-version-of-the-best-damn-it-band-stretch/
This really depends on where you’re at though. If your motion, such as your knee flexion, is very limited then these may be much too hard for you and you may simply need to work on just being able to bend your knee.
It’s also important to note after knee surgery people can get some weird sensations, especially after a replacement.
Here is a typical scenario I encounter:
Client “My knee just doesn’t feel normal. Why is that?”
Me “Because it’s not normal anymore.”
Don’t forget this. As someone who has had major knee surgery -albeit not a replacement- I can fully attest to this. There’s a lot to be said for the element of time after a surgery. That of course does NOT mean you just wait for things to magically get better, but it does mean some things don’t resolve without time.
Alex nielsen
March 6, 2013
Excellent article!.
I would like to add that you tell the individual to “raise the toes” to activate the tibialis anterior. It is my understanding that this will activate the extensor digitorum, a more suitable statement might be to raise the foot without bringing up the toes.
Sarhmann illustrates this very well in her book.
Thanks
reddyb
March 7, 2013
Hey Alex,
I’m not really sure what you’re referencing here. You quote me as saying “raise the toes” and I don’t use the word “toes” anywhere in the post.
I did say,
“Ankle dorisflexion and supination by pulling the big toe up and in.”
“Up and in” is not synonymous with extension. When you dorsiflex your ankle you are lifting the big toe up, even without extending it, if that makes sense.
Plus, I specifically say the big toe, not “the toes.” The extensor digitorum (longus) does not extend, or even connect, to the big toe.
it’s important to note here proper anatomy does not always correlate with effective cueing. It’s been my experience telling a person to lift the “foot up and in” doesn’t always register properly. They will literally say “What do you mean?” OR they may even lift the whole leg. In their mind by lifting the whole leg they ARE lifting the foot up and in, despite me only saying the foot.
So, “Lift the big toe and up in” typically works better.
(These are of course generalities and not absolutes.)
Technically, when being told to “lift the big toe up and in” the person should JUST lift the big up and in, realistically, they often lift the whole foot. In this case, a good thing.
Of course that cue might not work well for one person and the foot cue may work perfectly.
I can tell you unequivocally cueing a person to “Raise the foot but not the toes” is going to confuse the majority. I’m not training physical therapists; I’m training a mom who doesn’t know what a tricep is.
Cueing is a complete art in itself and I’m not going to go over much more than that here. I go over these things quite a bit in b-reddy.org/2013/02/27/proper-form-for-the-bird-dog-exercise/
Now, there are some people who -not necessarily in this stretch; just in life- substitute too much big toe extension for ankle dorsiflexion. This is talked about in the second Sahrmann book, however, I RARELY see this. I just don’t deal with foot issues enough, and they’re no where near as common (in my experience) as the internet would have you believe.
Even if it was more common, I still don’t think this is really a problem in the context of this stretch. Because ankle plantarflexion / pronation is conducive to toe extension and ankle dorsfiexion / supination is conducive to toe flexion.
See this video, you can see despite me saying “Lift the big toe” the big toe is hardly ever in extension:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoCj5f5NKwY
That is, push your foot down and out and your toes are likely to extend a bit; pull your foot up and in and your toes are likely to flex a bit.
So, when a person lifts their big toe up (in the context of this stretch where, remember, they are likely to lift the whole foot) it’s unlikely they are going to have their foot dorsifiexed AND their big toe extended. PLUS, as soon as you then tell them to lift the big toe up AND in, that big is going to flex.
I just don’t see this often enough to 1) Really think about it much and 2) Certainly not go over all this in the original post.
If I did see someone who had ankle dorsiflexion, supination, AND excessive toe extension, I’d simply tell them “Keep your foot up but scrunch your toes.”
For what it’s worth: Out of all the people I’ve had do this I’ve never seen this happen. And I try my best to write these articles with what applies to most people. I simply can’t write what applies to everyone.
But thank you for getting my mind churning with this comment.