The most commonly cited reason for stretching the iliotibial (IT) Band is to alleviate knee pain. Before we can state the best way to stretch it, we need to talk about what the IT band is, and then how it influences knee pain.
What is the IT band?
It’s imperative to note the IT band is not a muscle. I’m not sure if people realize this or not, but based on the way people talk about it, and talk about stretching it, I’m pretty sure people often think the IT band were like any other muscle.
It’s not.
Multiple muscles insert into the IT band. So rather than the IT band being a muscle itself, it is a band made of other muscles. The two big muscles comprising the IT band are the gluteus maximus (GM) and tensor fascia latae (TFL).
It is crucial to understand the TFL and GM comprise different portions of the IT band. The TFL comprises the anterior portion and the GM the posterior portion.
Using the Anatomy Trains philosophy from Tom Myers, we can see while the GM and TFL insert into the IT band proximally (starting at the hip), other muscles insert into the IT band distally too (at the knee).
The anterior portion of the IT band connects into the tibialis anterior (TA) while the posterior portion connects into the peroneus longus (PL). Therefore, there is a connection between the TFL and the tibialis anterior, and another connection between the GM and peroneus longus. And all of these insert into one band.
How does it influence knee pain?
This is where it gets a little messier.
The most common cause of knee pain is an imbalance between all these muscles acting on the IT band. Specifically: the TFL is overactive and tight, but the tibialis anterior is underactive and long (remember these two muscles are connected on the anterior portion of the IT band). And then the peroneus longus is overactive and tight, but the GM is underactive and long (these two are connected on the posterior side of the IT band).
By looking at these muscles specific actions we can begin to figure out how pain arises. At the hip, the TFL abducts, flexes, and internally rotates the femur. It also laterally rotates the tibia.
Meanwhile, the GM has almost the complete the opposite effect: Hip extension, lateral rotation of the femur and some possible internal rotation of the tibia.
That is, the TFL and GM have almost completely opposing actions at the hip and knee. This is why most often when one is strong/tight, the other is weak/long.
At the knee: Peroneus longus pronates and plantarflexes the foot and has some effect on lateral rotation of the tibia.
The tibialis anterior helps to supinate and dorisflex the foot and internally rotate the tibia.
That is, the PL and TA have opposing actions at the knee and ankle. In fact, these muscles not only insert at the IT band, they actually form a band together at the bottom of the foot!
Again, indicating when one is strong/tight, the other is weak/long.
Remember, the TFL is dominant over the GM, and the PL is dominant over the TA. Therefore, in terms of movement, we have a dominance of internal rotation of the femur, a dominance of lateral rotation of the tibia, and a dominance of pronation and plantarflexion of the foot.
This is overwhelmingly the predominant cause of knee pain for people. And this is why so many people are trying to stretch their IT band.
However, now we can tell just “stretch the IT band” is a poor remedy. We need to stretch the band in a very specific manner in order to get rid of our knee pain.
The most effective stretch is going to calm down the overactive muscles and wake up the underactive ones. We need to loosen the tensor fascia latae and peroneus longs, but tighten up the gluteus maximus and tibialis anterior. An ideal stretch will combine:
-Hip adduction (loosen TFL)
-Lateral rotation of the femur (loosens TFL and tightens GM)
-Hip extension (loosen TFL and tighten GM)
-Internal rotation of the tibia (loosen TFL and PL, tighten GM and TA)
-As well as ankle dorisflexion and supination of the foot (loosen PL and tighten TA)
Why most IT band stretches fall short
Now that we know what makes an ideal IT band stretch to help get rid of knee pain, we can talk about why some stretches aren’t good. Let’s look at some of the most commonly used IT band stretches:
Breaking this down:
-We have lateral rotation of the femur (good)
-Possibly some internal rotation of the tibia (possibly good)
-Hip Abduction (Uh oh –This tightens the TFL)
-A great deal of hip flexion (Shit –also tightens the TFL and actually stretches the GM. Opposite of what we want.)
-Ankle plantarflexion and no pronation or supination (This isn’t good, but, you could modify this to make it better)
This is actually a fairly good stretch for the posterior aspect of the IT band. But as we’ve dissected at this point, we rarely want this. I’d say at least 95% of people with knee pain / people who need to loosen their IT band don’t want to stretch the posterior part.
Don’t forget about the abdominals
Before criticizing another stretch, this is a good place to talk about the abdominals, specifically the external obliques.
If we agree a tight TFL is a common issue in those with knee pain (if you don’t, you’re wrong), we need to also look at how a tight TFL affects the abdominals. I don’t want to go into another treatise on movement at the hip, but suffice to say much like the TFL and GM have opposing effects on the hip, so do the TFL and external obliques.
That is, the TFL pulls the front of the hip down and the EO pulls the front of the hip up (so do the glutes). In someone with a tight TFL, not only will they potentially have weak glutes, but they will have weak EO too. The result is a lordotic posture:
Therefore, a common effect of trying to stretch the TFL is an associated lordosis. This is because the TFL is tight and doesn’t like being stretched, it’s “stiffer” than the abdominals, so it pulls the hip downward to try and lessen the stretch. Not something we want when we’re trying to loosen that sucker up.
This is my long way of saying when attempting to stretch the TFL -and IT band subsequently- we need to pay careful attention to how the hips and lower back are moving. Ideally, they aren’t. Realistically, they do. This is often a pain in the ass to get people to do properly.
We’ll come back to this. Keep it in mind for now.
The next stretch:
Breaking it down:
-We do have hip extension this time (Much better than the other stretch)
-We have ankle plantarflexion (Not good. But this could be modified in the stretch. Although it still wouldn’t be ideal)
-We have hip adduction (Good)
-We have either a neutral tibia or lateral rotation of the tibia (not good)
-Femur is either in neutral or medial rotation (Not good)
At least this stretch is targeting the TFL portion of the IT band and not the GM portion. However, there are other issues. Referencing the importance of the external obliques, remember how we want the EO to be stiff when we stretch the TFL / IT band to make sure we’re generating as good of a stretch as we can and we’re not achieving movement from the lumbar spine.
You can’t see it in the video, but I guarantee the girl has a lower back arch during that stretch. Look around the internet of people doing this stretch and you find this rather quickly:
Notice the arched lower back? While the TFL / IT band is still being stretched some, we’re not doing anything to concurrently stiffen up the abdominals. Next, due to the lordosis, we’re generating a bit of stretch on the glutes. Finally, we’re also promoting mobility at the lumbar spine. Mobility at the lumbar spine is a precursor to lower back pain.
While you could cue the person to squeeze the abs to prevent the lower back arch, I find people have a really, really hard time with this. They just don’t know when they’re doing it properly, the right way it should feel, etc. It’s like coaching a 40 year old virgin.
Sorry, doctor, but you sir do not have the “world’s best IT band stretch.“
The better way
Breaking this down:
-By making sure the knee does not fall out to the side we have hip adduction (Good)
-A tiny bit of lateral rotation at the femur (Good). More can be accomplished but I find this doesn’t influence the stretch much.
-By letting the leg fall to the ground we let gravity give us hip extension (Good)
-Internal rotation of the tibia from turning the foot in (Good)
-Ankle dorisflexion and supination by pulling the big toe up and in (Good). If you do this last, you’ll notice a difference in the intensity of the stretch between letting your foot fall to the ground (plantarflexion) and pulling it up (dorisflexion). Many people will exclaim they get a better stretch all the way up in the hip just by pulling the foot upward. Further evidence the dorsiflexion and supination is helping to stretch the TFL / IT band and the TFL and TA are connected.
Also, because of the self-feedback mechanism of laying on a bench or table, you always know whether or not your lower back is arching (in lordosis). Therefore, you are guaranteed to know how hard you need to be squeezing your external obliques to make sure there is no compensatory movement at the spine.
Next, by lifting the arms overhead we can also generate a nice stretch in the lats, pecs, and rectus abdominus (all commonly tight). Not really necessary for a stretch aimed at knee pain, but it sure isn’t hurting anything.
BOOM. How’s that for bang for your buck?
With that said, here are the common ways people may mess this up:
1) Letting the foot plantarflex and pronate
You HAVE to make sure your foot is not pointing down and out to the side.
2) Not fully contracting the abdominals
If you’re not feeling any stretch in your hip / thigh it’s almost guaranteed you’re not fully squeezing the abs.
Watch the difference in thigh position when the abs are fully squeezed and when they are relaxed:
Notice the thigh elevates, bringing the hip into flexion, each time the EO are fully contracting. This illustrates tightness in the TFL because when the EO fully contract and posteriorly tilt the pelvis, the TFL is put on stretch. And when it’s put on stretch you can see the tightness by the thigh being pulled off the bench.
One sure fire way to know whether or not your abs are squeezed tight enough is if you’re lower back is flat on the bench. If it’s not, you’re abs aren’t tight enough. It’s worth noting for those with a fair amount of fat on their body, and or lower backs, sometimes they give themselves the “feel” of their lower back being flat when it isn’t. It’s just that their adipose tissue is thick enough to give them that illusion.
If you’re watching someone, it’s best to look at the top of their hips. Do they look angled downward? Like an anterior pelvic tilt? Then the abs aren’t squeezed enough. It’s hard to describe, but you can spot it.
If you’re having trouble with your abs (this is just a sign they’re weak and not strong enough yet) grab your opposite knee and pull it into your chest. This will allow your upper body to help posteriorly tilt your pelvis.
Then you can progress to one arm holding the knee in and the other arm overhead:
And then to both arms overhead.
3) Letting the hip abduct
This will happen due to the TFL not wanting to be stretched and thus pulling the hip into abduction.
For some people adducting the hip to a certain point will cause them to feel pain / pressure in their knee. This signifies that when the TFL is on stretch, knee pain arises. This is verrrry common.
Simply only let your hip adduct to the point where you don’t feel pain. Over time as the TFL loosens up you’ll be able to adduct further and further.
4) Poor posture at the upper body
A lot of people may not be ready to put their arms overhead when they first start doing this stretch. Many just do not have the thoracic mobility yet (or EO strength) to lay their upper back and head fully flat on the bench. Look at the difference in head posture here:
By making sure the chin is tucked you help insure the external obliques are posteriorly tilting the pelvis and not the rectus abominus. When you have that forward head posture and thoracic flexion the RA is in a shortened position. We do not want this. We want to stiffen up the EO, not the RA.
One final note: Don’t expect to feel an insane stretch when you do this. It’s not like you’ll feel like your TFL or thigh is going to rip apart from such a good stretch. Be much more concerned with doing it properly. Often times the biggest thing people feel is a hell of a lot of abdominal work. This is good. Remember, stiffening up the external obliques will indirectly loosen up the TFL.
Hold the stretch for at least 30 seconds.
And I’m out.
Please note the “best” element of this stretch is meant to be a sarcastic play. Understandably, sarcasm doesn’t always land through text. There’s no one magical exercise or stretch for every situation. See the comments for more.
For a more comprehensive look at stretching the IT band see: 6 Exercises to Loosen the IT Band
For a look at meshing this with a running program check out: 6 Weeks To A Healthy 10k
Here are some related posts I’ve written:
- Standing version of the best damn IT Band stretch
- My visit to the Washington University in St. Louis
- Sleep positioning and knee pain
Finally, if you’re tired of sifting through information yourself, get one on one help.




















Michael
March 10, 2013
Hi Reddy
I have been doing this stretch and not feeling anything in the IT band area, but I haven’t worried I have just focused on doing it right and then today I got up and I felt a twinge in my hip area as if the area was tired so I do think it is working.
However I have noticed since doing this exercise along with the quad stretch in your other post my knee actually feels tighter, my Peroneus Longus feels better and is no longer swollen and tight.
If I attempt to gently lock my right leg when standing (the uninjured one) there is no issue, when I lock the left one I can tell tell the knee is ever so slightly swollen and it feels as though the knee cap doesn’t move up as much.
When I sit down and bend my knees just above the left corner of the knee (could it be the vastus lateralis?) is slightly tight & swollen does this seem normal.
I spoke to my Physio Therapist and he is convinced my troubles are due to my IT band but I just want to check.
reddyb
March 13, 2013
-You should not feel any pain, anywhere.
-Sounds like you could have some swelling around where the IT band inserts into the knee. However, without seeing you I can’t say the IT band is an issue for you. In chronic knee pain, it typically is, that’s all I can say for you.
-Swelling is never “normal.”
-Just to make sure: If you’re trying to resolve a hip issue this is NOT a good stretch. I go over this exhaustively in this post and elsewhere.
Michael
March 13, 2013
Hey thanks again for the reply
Re pain – OK then.
Yes I do have some swelling above the knee! I can barely see it but I can feel it, my left knee feels “tighter” than the right.
But Im no longer in pain per say, only certain aggressive sudden movements cause me some pain and its only a very small amount.
I trained on it yesterday and no swelling and no pain wooohoooooo! 🙂
When I say “normal” I mean in an IT band issue.
I dont know that I have an hip issue…I really don’t know what is the cause of my knee pain…..Ive always been healthy…maybe just pushing too hard and not stretching enough?
reddyb
March 13, 2013
The cause of pain, especially chronic pain, is pretty much always how you move.
Without seeing you how you move, I can’t tell you any more than that.
Glad to hear you had no pain and swelling though.
Michael
March 13, 2013
One last question, what are your thoughts on using a foam roller to loosen the IT band specifically?
reddyb
March 18, 2013
By itself: Hurts like hell while doing it, feels good in the short-term, ranges from minimally to not at all effective in the long-term.
(Rolling the band and rolling the muscles that insert into the band are not the same thing either.)
Manual therapy may make tissue easier to train, but you still need to train it.
Jason Windsor
March 29, 2013
hi
many thanks for the detailed explanation of the best ITB stretch.
I am regular recreational cyclist and have had persistent but mild, left ITB stiffness for some time. It is manageable, and I am sure that the stretch you recommend will assist me. I have recently developed a degree of Tibial Anterior pain, probably tedinopathy of some sorts.
I am interested in your thoughts on the connection of the persistent ITB stiffness with new TA issues.
many thanks,
Jason
reddyb
April 1, 2013
When do you have the pain? And how did you deduce you have ITB stiffness?
Matt
April 2, 2013
Hi,
I’ve had pain on the outside of my knee which I think is my IT band rubbing,my physio was not much help, he gave me the standard stretched and told me to foam role it.
Didn’t work.
Anyhow when I do this stretch my thigh stays about 3 inches of the bench not flat like the lady in the video.
Could u please tell me what this possibly indicates?
Thanks
reddyb
April 3, 2013
From the post:
“Notice the thigh elevates, bringing the hip into flexion, each time the EO are fully contracting. This illustrates tightness in the TFL because when the EO fully contract and posteriorly tilt the pelvis, the TFL is put on stretch.”
Abe Garcia
April 10, 2013
Hey Brian, what is your opinion on what Paul So and So has to say about sports injuries on his site? He constantly updates his e-brochures with the latest and greatest that seems to be based on the newest scientific finds. He seems to have done an immense amount of research on IT Band Syndrome, Patellofemoral Syndrome, Plantar Facitis, Trigger Points, etc. I am truly impressed with your wealth of knowledge and your explanation of how the whole picture works rather than just the epicenter of pain like your explanation of the 4 muscles that the IT Band attaches to at the hip and knee and how some are strong, overactive, and tight while others are weak, underactive, and long and some are dominant over others and basicly counteract each other. So by understanding this whole picture as well as how the external obliques come into play you can develop a stategy to solve this riddle and voula, you have The Best Damn IT Band Stretch ever. So what do you think about Paul out of and all he has to say on the matter and the tremendous amount of time and research he puts into his e-brochures?
reddyb
April 11, 2013
Abe,
I’m not familiar with Paul.
I took a cursory look at his site and from my (quick) look it didn’t seem like him and I view much in the same light.
There’s enough on my site at this point that I’m sure if you read around you’ll figure out if we view things similarly.
And I edited the full name and website out of your comment because the cynical side of me says this is one of the better spam attempts I’ve seen lately.
Alice
April 12, 2013
Thanks for this article. It makes a lot of sense and is e only place I have found which gives me a clue as to why I have pain at the fibular head with a gentle jog of only a mile! I have all the bad habits you describe, particularly the lordosis and over pronated feet. I now know what to work on.
BTW, you can’t spell dorsiflexion – Doris gets a mention instead…..
reddyb
April 12, 2013
Whoa, whoa, whoa. How do you know I don’t have a thing for women named Doris?
BTW, glad you liked “e” article…
Abe Garcia
April 12, 2013
Hey Brian, I noticed you were spelling dorsiflexion as dorisflexion too LOL, but I just dismissed it as a mild case of dyslexia…..ha ha. No, no spam attempt here. My apologies about mentioning the guy I asked you about. I’ve been on a quest for knowledge and just wondered what your opinion was of his works since he seems to dedicate so much time on the latest findings and keeping his works updated with new research. I stumbled across him when I just googled IT Band just like I found yours. I get the pain on the right side of my knee when I hit about the 2 mile mark. Then that rubbing occurs on the lateral epicondyle of the femur. So frustrating. Longest I could go was 4 miles. So went to see my Orthopedic doctor and he confirmed that I have IT Band Syndrome. You could even hear it popping with the flexion and extension of the knee. He said my IT Band is really tight. He sent me to physical therapy. At PT they’re having me do hip and glute strengthening exercises as well as the Standing IT Band Stretch. Also, they have me on an underwater treadmill in the pool. When I came across your Best Damn IT Band Stretch evet, I had never seen such a “holistic” explanation and I was so impressed. I apologize for not being politically correct. I am sort of old school and maybe not up to date on what not to do when blogging. I went to see a chiropractor who put me on ALINE orthotics since I’m flat footed and pronate alot. My pronation seems to have improved. IT Band Syndrome, from what I’ve read can have so many causes from running on a tilted surface like the side of a road to a muscle imbalance (more like your explanation) to one leg shorter than the other etc. I really love your explanation and you really sound like a genius and I was blown away by your answers to others seeking knowledge. So I totally respect your opinion and that is why I asked you about that other guy, no offense intended. I’m 42 and can’t run the 4:14 mile I ran in High School but just want to be able to do some recreational 5k and 10k runs. So please, accept my apologies. I even submitted my email to you to post my comment. I am a genuine person named Abe Garcia living in Lubbock, Texas. I also wanted to ask you what shoes are best to help with IT Band Syndrome, minimalist shoes to prevent excessive heel striking or maximum support shoes to prevent shin splints? As you can see, I have been on a journey and I am trying to educate myself about injury prevention and treatment. Sincerely, Abe Garcia.
reddyb
April 15, 2013
Hey Abe,
No need to be sorry. My mistake; not yours.
-Running on a tilted / cambered surface can definitely contribute to the issues you’re referencing.
-Thanks for the kind words; very much appreciated.
-4:14 mile is very impressive!
-Footwear can be a very tough area to nail down. It really depends on the person.
In your case -an over pronator with flat feet- I always lean strongly towards trying to correct the over pronation muscularly (exercise) opposed to structurally (orthotics). Typically, when you correct the over pronation issue the flat footedness will often go away. You’ll actually see people’s feet gain an arch back, to the point their foot will shrink a half-shoe size to a full size.
So, overall, I lean towards minimalist shoes. However, you can’t go from wearing heavily cushioned shoes to minimalist shoes and go run miles upon miles. You need to work your way up first.
Finally, if the person has serious over pronation issues, they may need to do quite a bit of work with some simple exercises for a while before starting up running again. Said another way: If you can’t walk without over pronating, there is no way in hell you’re going to be able to go run and not do it.
Hope this helps.
Abe
April 20, 2013
Thanks Brian again, yes I’m a simple case of too much too fast too soon. I was inactive with my running for several years and then jumped back into it full force in 2012 and encountered shin splints, strained calf muscles, plantar fasciitis, pulled groin muscle (running all out sprints without proper warm up-I learned the importance of “Dynamic Stretching” vs “Static Stretching” and both have their place), hip aches, and now in 2013, IT Band Syndrome. Basically overuse injuries. I am learning to swallow my pride and be more patient now and take baby steps. Your body will adapt if you give it time and if you have muscular balance just like you preach Brian. Basically Synergy for the muscles which helps you strive for proper biomechanics. I now realize how over zealous I have been, especially with Father Time coming into the picture. My arch in my foot is coming back and my pronation is indeed improving and my physical therapy in the pool on the underwater treadmill, the best damn it band stretch ever, ultrasound, icing, rest, gluteal-calf-hamstring-hip-quad strengthening exercises (leg work in the gym), massage therapy (myofacial release), foam rolling trigger points, gait analysis (learning and mentally concentrating on proper running form with the most efficient mid-foot stike so that you hit the ground with the foot flat rather than on your heels or your toes, all seem to be helping and my IT Band pain is starting to subside. I’m gradually increasing my milage. No hurry, just let my body adapt. I like your advice on working your way gradually toward a minimalist shoe. Don’t just go “cold turkey” from a maximum support shoe to running in five toes. Sure the human body was meant to run and native peoples like the Tarahumara Indians can run barefooted with “natural” biomechanics, but when you were raised in modern society wearing shoes with support, then your feet are not adapted like the feet of the native peoples. My goal is to gradually work toward a minimalist shoe. Baby steps. I have a new question for you. I’ve been feeling a little pain behind my left tibia right above the calf muscle toward the outside of the leg. It kind of felt like nerve pain but after researching it a little bit, it seems like it may be the Popliteus muscle or tendon. If I sit in a chair and keep both feet firmly planted and move my left knee laterally outward I feel all this nerve-like pain in my left knee. I’ve been ignoring this for a few months because that is really the only time it hurts, when I make it hurt or certain movements like getting out of a chair. It does not impair my running like the IT Band pain did, but it is annoying and bothersome. I also notice on that same left foot, pain on the outside of the left ankle when walking or when sitting in a chair, laterally moving flexing the foot outward then dorsiflexing the ankle upward (out and up). I felt it especially after a long 8 mile walk up and down hills on a mountain biking dirt and rock trail. At first I thought it might be Achilles pain because I could not pinpoint the ankle pain when walking or feeling around the ankle with my fingers for any topical pain. I’m now leaning toward the pain coming from the Peroneus Longus or Peroneus Brevis. I also read how the Popliteus muscle helps control Patellar tracking of the knee cap. I can actally rub on that Popliteus area and massage it a certain way and really make it hurt. I feel like this pain and the pain on the outside of the same ankle on my left leg are related. Maybe all tied to the Sciatic nerve, Tibial nerve, or Sural nerve. I read that pronation and flat footed issues are related to Popliteus pain and patellar tracking which in turn involves the ankles. In fact, to stretch the Popliteus muscle you sit in a chair and with the ankles resting on the floor flexed outward as far as possible then flex and slide them across the floor as far inward as possible (without using the hamstrings) and this all helps control patellar tracking and keeps the knee cap tracking properly and in proper alignment.. The ankle seems to hurt when walking and this Popliteus pain is starting to hurt a little more just doing nothing. If I go run I really don’t feel either pain in the ankle or Popliteus area. So they, although are likely related, are not impairing my running. Still, they are starting to hurt when walking or doing nothing and I don’t want them to become a bigger issue that will impair my running. Somehow there could be nerve type pain involved. What do you think this could be Brian? The IT Band Syndrome is on the right knee.
reddyb
April 23, 2013
Hey Abe,
I don’t view things in this context really. That is, an anatomy, which muscle is acting up, stretching that muscle, strengthening a different muscle; I view things much more in the sense of “The knee area hurts, how is the knee moving?”
I would take a look at the knee pain category, see what you find, and go from there.
Remember, movement always over muscles. The anatomy is great, but don’t get so wrapped up in it.
http://b-reddy.org/category/pain-2/knee-pain-pain/
Said another way regarding the foot: While strengthening muscles and such MAY help an over pronating foot, the best way to correct over pronation at the foot is to not let the foot over pronate.
DanielB
May 5, 2013
reddyb: When I do this stretch, I feel the itband click over my knee, as if my knee cap isn’t gliding correctly. It doesn’t hurt, but my knee does act up at that spot if I use it too much. Should I do this stretch? Or just limit it to the standing stretch where the clicking doesn’t happen?
reddyb
May 6, 2013
Hey Dan,
Let your knee fall out to the side (abduct) a bit and see how that feels. It should lessen the stretch / lessen any pulling on the knee.
The standing version is a good substitute too.
Never stretch into pain.
Kelli Ugarte
May 7, 2013
Oh my goodness. I stumbled onto your page last night. I’m a 37 year old female who has gone through so many things I can relate to in this article, but have never had anyone really understand the reasons why. Ive never been able to run well, I am wickedly flexible in one way (able to put my legs behind my head) but painfully tight down the outsides of my legs. I started reading this because my massage therapist was telling me how tight my IT band was on my right side yesterday. I told her, “what else is new?” . I’ve been hearing this since I started getting massages at 20 yrs old. I’ve had Physical Therapy years ago…oh, what a story that would take some time to write. I have two questions. Where are you located? And secondly, the video you have where the lady is laying on her tummy and letting her legs fall out to the sides. I see she’s imbalanced, but which side is a normal range of motion? Should a normal range be to not move at all like one of her legs, or for it to be able to fall out to the side?
I did attempt your stretch laying down. I am tall and thin and physically active so my abs are pretty strong. It is a very intense ab exercise for me because in order for me to keep my right leg from rotating out (meaning holding my knee all the way to my foot straight and not externally rotating), it’s almost like my body won’t move that way. Holding the left leg makes it easier. If I don’t hold my left leg, I can keep my abs contracted (back flat) but my right thigh will not physically lay on the bench without everything rotating out, so I have to keep those abs super tight to hold it up to keep the leg rotated inward.
I want to make sure I am not grabbing onto this and running with it so I wanted to ask you for sure. I have this rotation in both legs, with both IT bands tight and sensitive to the touch (massage therapist can send me flying off the table in pain on my right side), but right side is definitely worse. She says my lower back in tight and my glutes (right side) are tight. I was a high kicker (drill team) in high school. I could never kick my legs up straight no matter how much I stretched. When my legs kicked up to my shoulder, most girls had the top of their foot pointing to the back of the room, mine always pointed to the side. And then, my hamstring in my right leg tore and forever ended my high kicking days. That injury still haunts me to this day.
I also have extremely high arches in my feet and started having a sharp pain in my right foot about 7 years ago. My podiatrist says it’s like I am walking on a tripod (way too much pressure on the 3 points of my foot) and the pain I feel can only be corrected by having foot surgery and removing my seismod bone however, it would just put pressure on the other sseismod bone and it would probably do the same. I don’t understand it all frankly, but I have orthotics to help me walk normally because my tendency is to want to protect the ball of my foot that attaches to the big toe, rotating my foot outward and walking on the outside of it. The orthotics helped but didn’t fix it. So I am constantly trying to line everything up and not give into my tendencies to rotate everything out. When i bend, when I walk, when I sit (I always want to pull my legs up in criss cross apple sauce), but I know if I don’t fight this, I just continue to shorten the muscles in my lower back. I am a huge HATHA yoga FAN and it’s done wonders for pain management. I can’t even tell you, but the problem still exists. I only wish someone like you was close to me (Houston TX) so I could learn to manage it in the best way.
reddyb
May 9, 2013
Hey Kelli,
I’m located in northern San Diego. I do also help people remotely. You can see two examples here:
http://b-reddy.org/2013/02/06/example-of-a-postural-assessment-2/
http://b-reddy.org/2013/02/20/another-example-of-a-postural-evaluation/
Updates on those two clients here:
http://b-reddy.org/2013/03/18/how-to-be-a-good-client-an-update-on-jeremy/
http://b-reddy.org/2013/04/24/an-update-on-jennifer/
The video of the girl you’re referencing: Neither leg is normal range of motion.
Sounds like you’re on the right track in regards to your form when performing the IT stretch.
Feel free to send me some photos of you (b-reddy@hotmail.com) and I can tell you if there’s anything in particular I see.
Kelli Ugarte
May 7, 2013
I believe I dont have femoral anteversion, I have femoral retroversion.
reddyb
May 9, 2013
Good timing.
http://b-reddy.org/2013/05/09/talking-about-hip-retroversion/
Kelli Ugarte
May 9, 2013
Wow, after reading that, I am on the extreme of retroversion. Both legs. When laying on my stomach and doing the bent leg test, they almost fall to the floor in lateral rotation and are almost completely locked up the medial. I knew this all my life but never had the words. Any doctor, PT, massage therapist, etc whose ever crossed my path can’t get over how flexible “my hips” seem, but don’t realize how imbalanced it is…so tight in the opposite way. When I lay on the floor on my back, my legs fall out and toes point completely out to the sides. I fight it, I figure the more I give into it, the tighter my IT band gets. I try to stretch in many ways, but it’s such a battle I’ve always had. I find it interesting you say to give into it. Am I reading that right? My yoga instructor says that walking with your toes out and all that comes with the way I am causes muscles in my lower back to shorten. Therefore any leg stretch I focus on keeping the toes pointed to the ceiling, even though I’d love to let them fall out to the side. I have learned to fight it constantly.
I think I have alot of things going on, but this is a huge revelation for me. Bone. Not muscle. The question is, how to handle it and do everything i can to prevent pain. I am lucky in that I am genetically prone to be thin or I bet the pain would be much worse.
Thank you for putting so much time into helping others! What a blessing!!
reddyb
May 16, 2013
Hey Kelli,
Sorry I missed this.
Yes, you’re reading it correctly. A structural issue you need to give in to.
Kelli Ugarte
May 16, 2013
Do you have any books you recommend that would talk about the best ways to handle having hip retroversion? The things to strengthen, in specific ways….even how to cope with the tight IT bands…meaning, the ways I can do the best for my body because of the imbalance. I’ve learned alot over the years just listening to my own body, but I’d love to hear more to be able to help myself more! There is just not too much on the internet that talks about your philosophy. It’s not addressed too much and having hip retroversion, I completely agree with you. Even with a high level of determination, it’s like trying to push a ball up a mountain and it keeps rolling down. For you to say “give into it because it’s structural”. Wow. All I can say is YES. But to what extent? And what stretches should I be doing to help my body deal with the imbalance. That kind of book. Sorry if that was repetitive. I need to get into bed!
reddyb
May 17, 2013
Kelli,
There is a recommended reading section on my site here: http://b-reddy.org/what-i-read/
Shirley Sahrmann’s first book would be the most relevant. Although, I can tell you I go into more detail on retroversion in my post than her book does. It’s briefly covered.
Tight IT bands and retroversion aren’t necessarily related. Without seeing you move a bit, I can’t really be too specific on that angle.
I do help people remotely if you’re interested. Feel free to email me.
Matt
May 23, 2013
I like this stretch and knowledge you bring to the table. I have been searching for a remedy to loosen my IT bands for close to two years now with still no luck. What started as tendonitis in my knee has now turned into what I think is a complete imbalance in muscle but I can’t figure out a plan to correct the problem. I used to foam roll all the time, the IT band and the muscles around it, and it would provide temporary relief but after not foam rolling for a day or two the band would tighten up again. None of my muscles on my leg even hurt when I use the roller now I feel like it does nothing, yet my IT band it still so tight. In the past few months I noticed I am starting to get the internally rotated tibia and my right foot just wants to externally rotate for me to even feel comfortable standing. The inner muscles of my leg (calf, VMO, and adductors) now are visibly much smaller and don’t even activate when I walk anymore, and of course the outer part of my calf is extremely tight along with the outer quad. I think I have pretty weak glutes so I’ve been trying to strengthen them. When I bend down on a one legged squat with my right leg its like my hip internally rotates my upper leg while my foot wants to externally rotate. I have been to two different physical therapists with no success…not really sure what’s going on here. Any thoughts you may have would be greatly appreciated.
reddyb
May 24, 2013
Why foam rolling didn’t help: http://b-reddy.org/2013/05/20/issues-with-foam-rolling/
Extensive discussion of tibiofemoral rotation syndrome: http://b-reddy.org/2012/09/03/my-visit-to-the-washington-university-in-st-louis-physical-therapy-program/
Darryl
June 1, 2013
Thanks for this excellent article and your follow-up comments. I am training for an off-road ultramarathon (~6-7hrs in mountainous terrain) but I’ve noticed my outside knee flares up after longer training runs (~3hr+).
The trails I run on are very steep and uneven/unformed, which is the way I like it – it’s much more fun. Should I do this IT stretch and gradually increase my mileage, or are there other strengthening exercises that would be useful (such as single-leg squats)?
[For context: I’ve had physiotherapists and podiatrists tell me in previous years that my outer glutes need strengthening and for the last 1.5 years I’ve been running in low-profile shoes with forefoot running style.]
Any advice is greatly appreciated! 🙂
reddyb
June 5, 2013
Darryl,
Without seeing you I don’t really know.
I can tell you adding just one stretch (like this one) is unlikely to have a great impact. The principles of what’s causing pain is what you need to address. If your knee turns inward too much (common cause of knee pain), then you need to work on that in a multitude of ways.
If you have IT band issues, the IT band is a symptom, it’s not the cause of your pain. How you move is the cause of your pain (assuming you have nothing else going on).
I’d search the site some more. There’s quite a bit on knee pain.
Darryl
June 8, 2013
Great, thanks for your response 🙂