It’s been almost two years since I had reconstructive ACL surgery. Between personal experience, those I’ve worked with, the emails and comments I’ve received, a few patterns have emerged as to what mistakes I see people making.
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Lack of mental preparation
Far and away the most common thing I get from people, post surgery, is “Oh my god! This is so bad! Is this normal? I’m so miserable. I can’t do anything. The pain is unbearable. I can’t bend my knee, my muscles are disappearing; I’m so depressed.”
I don’t expect everyone to do the amount of research I did for this. I spent over 3 months reading everything I could, talking to people and writing about things. However, if you do even a modicum of research on this topic, you should learn pretty damn quickly it’s normal to:
- Not just be down, but to be incredibly depressed after this surgery
- Not be able to do anything
- Need someone around you for a while after the surgery. I don’t mean a few hours, I mean like a couple weeks.
- Be in extraordinary pain
- Be on so many drugs you can’t see or think
- Be crying
Part of this is definitely the surgeons fault. I don’t know if it’s because the surgeons don’t want people to know how bad things are, or because they become jaded after doing so many surgeries, either way, they do a horrible job preparing people for what this surgery entails. One of the surgeons I saw sent me to his receptionist to schedule surgery without even discussing what the surgery was. I mean nothing was discussed. Not what’s an ACL, why I might need it, the length of rehab, invasiveness of surgery, time off work, NOTHING. Yes, I knew all these things already, but he didn’t know I knew them.
He didn’t even bring up the option of not having surgery. Or the fact I’d be denied health insurance in the future because of having it. If not for the law changes coming in 2014, for the rest of my life I would have severe health insurance issues because of this injury. The insurance companies take this incredibly seriously, so should you.
Part of me gets the lack of understanding; part of me doesn’t comprehend how people don’t understand a power drill will be put through their bones. Look at your leg, imagine a power drill being put through it. Is it really that hard to understand how you’re going to feel after this? “Waa, I can’t bend my leg, waa, this hurts.” No shit, a POWER DRILL was just put through it.
I’m not sure how else to get this across. My only other way is all the people I know who’ve had this done have another big theme to them. Their ACL experience is one of, if not the, worst experience of their lives. Since people love to look to athletes with this stuff, Derek Rose has said his ACL experience is the closest to death he’s ever been, and Wes Welker said he wouldn’t wish his experience even on his worst enemy. Keep in mind these are guys who are, for the most part, ACL success stories! They’re the outliers, and they still had awful times.
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Unrealistic expectations
This goes right with lack of mental preparation. If you even only briefly look around you’ll quickly find how many people are never the same again after this injury. Too many expect to have this surgery and be good as new. The fact of the matter is your leg will never be “normal” again. To reiterate, multiple holes will be drilled through your body, more than likely one of your tendons will be cut apart, it will then be either sewed back together or you’ll hope it grows back, the part of the tendon which was cut off will be screwed into your bones, one or two screws will likely be left in your body, and that tendon will hopefully turn into a ligament with time. Your leg will never feel normal again because it will never be normal again. It has been forever changed.
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That doesn’t mean you’re forever resigned to pain. You can not be in pain but have a leg that just feels weird at times. If you haven’t had surgery, this probably doesn’t resonate. For those who have though, they know exactly what I’m saying. Whether it’s their knee feels weird, it makes odd sounds, the screw moves around, whatever, there is almost always something odd remaining long after the surgery.
“But I’ll be different.”
In Thinking, Fast and Slow, Daniel Kahneman references a time in his younger days when he and some colleagues were writing a textbook. They were projecting how long the book would take and their chances of actually completing it. They pretty much all thought it would be completed, and in about two years.
Kahneman then asks the one colleague who has worked with others who’ve made a textbook, “How many of them actually finished?” The colleague was a bit embarrassed. “Maybe 40%” “And how long did it take those who finished to complete their work?” The colleague was now even more embarrassed. “I’d say the average was about 7 years.”
Kahneman refers to this as the inside and outside view. When you’re on the inside -you’re the person getting the surgery- you think the odds don’t matter for you, or that you’ll beat them. You don’t want to hear that 65% of ACL patients never return to their previous activity level. And even if you do hear it, you’re not listening, or you think you know something they all didn’t. Rather than consider the endless list of NFL players who never made it back after tearing their ACL, you instead focus on Adrian Peterson.
It’s not only a physical game; it’s a mental one too. This is what a lot of people miss when trying to come back from this. It’s not just the being able to come back physically, it’s the mental aspect. You very well could get your leg back to its former strength, have no pain, no setbacks, etc. But, you may end up thinking, “I don’t care. I don’t want to go through that again.” Honestly, that’s where I am. I was cleared at 9 months -exactly on time, had no setbacks, went out and played some sports, proved to myself I could do the entire process, then said “I’m done with this shit.” I don’t want to go through all that again. If I (or you) was a million dollar athlete I’m sure my mentality could change, but I’m not. I don’t want to do anything which could increase my chances of going through that whole process again. Physically, I’m able to go back to my previous activity level. Mentally, I’m not.
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Focusing too much on former patient’s experience
Asking those who’ve also had an ACL reconstruction can be productive, but you don’t want to rely on other people’s recounts as you’re only information.
1) Every case is different.
It’s unlikely you’re going to be able to run into someone who is having the exact same surgery as you. Here was my full surgery: Reconstructive ACL surgery with a hamstring autograft, medial meniscal repair, partial lateral menisectomy. Every word of that affects the rehab. Unless you’re talking to a person with the same procedure as you, you’re likely going to have different experiences.
2) Your sample size is too small
ACL surgery isn’t that common. So, you may only have one or two people you know who’ve also had this done. Even if you go online and read 20 different accounts, it’s still a small sample size.
That can greatly skew your perception of what this all entails. Using me as another example: I had basically no pain after my surgery. I have a couple ideas as to why, but regardless, pretty much no pain. This is an aberration. To illustrate how much pain is expected post-op my surgeon prescribed me 80 pills of percocet, all at double dosage (because I’m very tall). He told my dad, “Call me if he needs more.” That’s an insane amount of pills. How many did I take? One, which was the night of the surgery. I only took that because I was afraid a huge flow of pain was about to set in, and I didn’t want to wake up in the middle of the night when it happened.
If you’re someone using me as your reference point for pain after ACL reconstruction, you’re in for a rude awakening when you come out from your anesthesia and realize I was an outlier.
3) You don’t want to put all your faith in people’s memories
Since I brought up Daniel Kahneman, I’ll keep that theme. Kahneman has done some research on our perceptions of how painful an experience was. What’s been found is we remember pain by 1) How intense it was and 2) How it ended. Number 2 is what’s important here.
Tying this to ACL stuff: The worst part of ACL surgery is the beginning. As the process goes on, it normally gets better. You’re more likely to ask fellow ACL patients their experience not right after their surgery, but fairly far out from it. Said another way: You’re more likely to get someone’s recount a year, two, or three years after their surgery, rather than 2 weeks post-op.
Their answer is not only going to reflect things in the early stages, but also how they’ve felt recently. Plus, their recent memories are more available than their older ones. Since people tend to feel better a year, two, or three years after their surgery rather than at two weeks, they tend to mix how they currently feel with how they felt immediately post-up.
Say your friend Jon had ACL surgery. He was a mess immediately post-op, but now at 3 years post op he’s pretty good. He’s not amazing, but he can’t complain too much. You run into Jon, tell him about your current ACL issues, how you’re contemplating surgery, and what’s his advice. How did things go for him? Would he recommend it?
Because Jon feels pretty good now his first response is, “You know, it wasn’t that bad. Not the best time, but I’m pretty good now.” However, if you were next to Jon the day after he woke up and ask him how he was feeling, his response would be, “MAKE IT STOP!”
I have a client Dan who has had upwards of 10 leg surgeries, one of which was an ACL. Dan recently decided to have another leg operation. He came in about a week afterwards. “You know, every time I do this I swear I’m never getting another one. It’s like I forget how bad things are after these things. Then, once I get it done again, it all comes roaring back.”
Me: “It’s like a really bad hangover. You swear you’ll never drink again, but next thing you know it’s Saturday night.”
A much better way of learning what ACL surgery is like is not only to ask former patients, but ask those who were around them right afterwards. If Jon’s dad was his primary caretaker, ask dad what the experience was like. They’ll almost assuredly give you a more accurate description.
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Postponing physical therapy
Many years ago it was common practice after surgery to put the person on bed rest. With leg stuff you’d often be casted up for at least a month and pretty much couldn’t use the leg. Scientifically, those days are gone. We now know this is a terrible way of approaching the post-op period. The longer you don’t use the muscles the quicker and more they atrophy. You increase the person’s risk of blood clots. You also make the physical therapy phase harder as the person is starting from further behind.
Scientifically, those days are gone; realistically, too many still lay around for weeks before doing anything. If there is anything to be learned from athletes in this realm it is that physical therapy after reconstructive ACL surgery does not start a week or two weeks after the surgery, it starts the day of surgery.
There is no reason to wait. You can’t do much right after surgery, but that doesn’t mean you can’t do anything. You can mobilize the patella, wrap the leg, squeeze the quad to make sure it stays awake, as well as work on your range of motion.
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Obsessing over flexion instead of extension
If you read the comments of this post: Reconstructive ACL and meniscus repair surgery: Physical therapy days 2-11, which is about my experience, you’ll see over and over people fresh out of surgery going nuts about their lack of ability to bend their knee.
Again and again I respond, “Stop worrying about bending your knee, start worrying more about straightening it!”
I think why this happens is after surgery you may lose 10-20 degrees of extension, but 100-120 degrees of flexion. So, to the person, in their mind it’s like, “Holy fuck! I can’t bend my leg at all!” This is normal. The flexion will come with time, and there’s really no need to rush it. In fact, you need to be careful not to push it too much too soon as that can stretch the graft out. Mechanically, especially in the beginning, you will only be able to flex your knee so much anyways, due to the swelling. It’s going to take some time for all the fluid to get out of there.
Extension on the other hand, you need worry about immediately. First, there is no reason to not get all the extension back right away. By this I mean the day of surgery. You don’t have to worry about stretching the graft out with extension. Second, extension is much easier to lose in the long run. Personally, I needed to check my extension multiple times per day. And for about 6 weeks, everyday, I’d gain it back only to lose it again a couple hours later. Third, the longer you go without getting it and keeping it, the more likely you are to never get it back again. All the time I see people with a knee surgery history who years later still can’t fully straighten / hyperextend their knee.
The other thing here is returning to walking. It’s ok if you can’t bend your knee to 120 degrees, or hell even 90 degrees, that’s not going to affect walking. However, if you can’t fully straighten your knee, that’s a really bad knee to be walking on. You end up walking on a bent knee all the time, which beats the hell out of your joint. So, working on full extension helps get you back to healthier walking while obsessing over bending your knee does not. There is a progression here, and the ability to walk again is very high on the hierarchy. Certainly much higher than bending your leg.
Full, complete flexion will take months and months, and that’s ok. Stop worrying so much about it.
Which brings us full circle: If you only do even a bit of preparation, you should know not to bend your leg too soon, that you won’t be able to bend your leg, that you should be extending it, that you’re going to have a lot of pain and discomfort, etc. Just a couple questions to the surgeon will let you know this.
This often ends up being a $50,000 surgery, with power drills, screws, knives, hours of anesthesia, high level pain killers, a significant degree of short term disability, minimum 6-9 months of physical therapy, you get the idea.
For Christ’s sake do your homework.
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-Update 9/3/15- Posted the following comment:
Hey Everyone,
I wanted to let you know I put together a manual specifically for regaining knee extension.
You can see more about it and get it here: http://b-reddy.org/2015/09/03/help-i-cant-straighten-my-knee/
I also wrote something detailing why regaining extension range of motion quickly is so important: http://b-reddy.org/2015/09/03/why-you-dont-want-to-wait-to-regain-knee-extension-range-of-motion/
I cover extension ROM fairly thoroughly in the ACL manual, but this is more extensive than before. Also, some have asked me, “I’m more than a month out, will your ACL manual still apply?” While the answer to that is usually yes, now I have the extension manual for those are only specifically looking at that.
Hope this helps!
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-Update 11/16/15
Another post on the importance of regaining knee extension range of motion, and why you don’t want to wait to do it: http://b-reddy.org/2015/11/16/how-weak-calves-can-cause-knee-issues/
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Post-script (Update 7/1/15)
After receiving many comments on this post, I left this comment:
Dear All,
Understand this coming from a place of wanting to see people do this process better. It is not meant to be judgment, or beratement.
I’m not sure what’s going on the last week or two, but some themes that keep coming up:
1) There seems to be an overall lack of acknowledgment about how long a process this is. Many of you have probably heard “6-9 months,” which is one reason I didn’t hit on this in the article. I assumed it’d be rare to to complain about progress at 2-3 months, as it ignores the fact you have, at least, *double* that amount of time to go. But I’m seeing this more than I thought.
Plus, in reality, this is an 18-24 month process. The 6-9 month mark is more, “Yeah, I’m running again, have full ROM, no issues with walking…but it’s not like I’m playing sports without worrying about it.” FULL recovery is upwards of two years, *IF EVER.*
2) There is either a lack of reading before commenting, or a degree of denial. Because either people aren’t reading the section on “Obsessing over flexion over extension,” or they want to ignore it. So many comments here are about lack of ability to bend the knee. At 2-3 months of all things!
Part of me thinks I need to write a sequel to this post. The other part of me thinks people need to read the following paragraph from the post until it really sinks in:
“Full, complete flexion will take months and months, and that’s ok. Stop worrying so much about it.”
I made two sentences its own paragraph specifically so it would stand out. “Months and months” is not one, two, or three months. It’s MONTH*S* and MONTH*S*.
I understand this is a traumatic time for many who come across this article. But I, nor anyone, can propel your physiology into a different state. It sucks an injury from perhaps out of nowhere, can jack your mind and life up so much, but it is reality.
And if you’ve chosen the path of surgery, you’ve chosen a very, very brutal, long, tedious, depressing, handicapped, lonely, path. One in which there are no guarantees you come out better for having it. You very well could come out worse.
Much like we all degenerate with age, and need to accept it at some point or live in delusion, there are realities to tearing your ACL we all need to accept. The first step to getting over any problem is full acknowledgment of the reality of the problem. I promise many of you, if you get to this point sooner, a sense of relief will come over you.
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Brittnee
July 17, 2017
I had my surgery on June 23rd 2017 it was the worst pain I’ve ever experienced in my life. First I thought my concussion I got was bad, I couldn’t even remember my name when I was calling 911 and my face started dooping and my arm went numb. On top of the random headaches that make you almost pass out. Then I thought tearing my ACL to begin with was horrible. I was in volleyball and made a quick turn to the left I screamed but felt no pain then I blacked out. Woke up to my team fanning me. I didn’t know what happened and they asked if I was okay I said yes my coach told me to sit on the bench when I took my first step that’s when I knew things were wrong and it hurt so bad. I thought that was bad. Then that got replaced by an ovarian cyst popping I was in the hospital because of it I thought that was the worst pain. But no this ACL surgery definitely tops any pain I’ve ever felt. It took me over a year to have the surgery. I told myself I have to have the surgery because of the pain I felt walking with a torn ACL after a year with it worn it hurt a lot. Some days I felt like I still needed my crutches other days were fine. So I told myself I already can’t walk well, knee buckles and I almost collapse. I need the surgery. Or so I thought. Doc told me I’m a 22 year old female who plays sports and wants to be a cop so I should have the surgery. He didn’t say a whole lot just the 6-9 month recovery. The day of the surgery they did a nerve block that they couldn’t do by my knee instead it was in my hip. They said it will block the pain. I woke up from surgery it felt like a movie. I see a glimpse and pass out. See another glimpse pass out. I tried hard for an hour to wake up. I could hear but couldn’t open my eyes I remember “she’s not breathing!” And the nurse putting on a mask over my face and telling me to breath deep but I was in and out of consciousness. That hour was rough and I was in sooooo much pain. The nerve block didn’t work. I remember not not being able to open my eyes or talk or do anything but cry. It is now July 17th almost a month out and I can bend my knee about 55 degrees and no more. I have yet to go to therapy but will be starting this week. So far I tell myself I will not put myself through this much pain ever again. Sometimes I want my torn ACL back but I know I was in pain then too. I’ve been worried about bending my knee because at 55 it’s just rock hard and I can’t bend anymore. I needed this article to wake me up that it will take a long time and I’m making good progress so far. Just hard when every time I see my surgeon he’s like oh you shouldn’t be using ur crutches. Oh in 2 more weeks you need to bend at 90 degrees. I am a bit sad my leg will never be the same after reading a lot of blogs and articles. My doc told me I have very weird tendons and that they are super loose. So loose that for a normal person it’s broken but for me it’s normal. I don’t think my knee will be like that. I liked this post for a couple reasons, it didn’t hold back. At first I felt it a little mean but it’s something people need to hear. It’s a lot of pain, I wish I didn’t have pain like mentioned in the post. And I am reaaaallyyy freaken depressed like mentioned in the post. I already struggled with “severe depression” but now it’s so much worse. I hated how much I needed someone around me especially for the first week I couldn’t even get to the toilet by myself. I still need someone here and there but I’m finally getting some independence back. I don’t mean to vent on here it’s just I feel like I don’t have anyone to talk to about it that will truly understand because they didn’t go through it. I just thought here I could talk and people actually understand.
b-reddy
July 18, 2017
Hey Brittnee,
Sorry to hear about the rough road you’ve had. The good news is in most ACL recoveries the first month is the worst time. Where you’re hopefully only on an upward trajectory from here.
Hope you get into therapy as soon as you can. That’s the most important step right now. If you need something to complement that at this stage, you may want to checkout the manual: https://b-reddy.org/2014/04/02/the-most-important-phase-of-acl-rehab-copy/
First thing is start looking at the process as step by step. First step was the surgery. Next is walking and your range of motion.
As for the surgeon, it’s always easier to tell somebody how they should be doing when they aren’t there on a regular basis :). They can get immune to how hard recovery is when so often they cut, then barely see you again. The people there on a weekly basis, such as the therapists, have a better sense of this. They see the ups and downs much more regularly than the surgeons.
Hope things get better soon!
Lesley
July 19, 2017
Hi Brian – I commented back in March about my ACL/meniscus surgery. It will be 4 months soon. I have full extension with a few degrees of hyper extension. I have 140 degrees of flexion which isn’t too bad. Still more to go with that. I am doing leg press, squats, hamstring machine, elliptical machine, etc,,. The single leg squat still hurts the top of my knee a bit. Overall – coming along pretty well. My advice to all the ACL patients – Keep Calm and Do Your Exercises!!! I am far from back to normal but I can see the progress.
I did the exercises twice a day at the beginning- NO EXCEPTIONS. For people that are getting down about this – make a playlist of your absolute favorite songs that are a little upbeat. Find a spot that is comfy and put on the music. Knock out those exercises. It will not seem like things are improving – but they are! Have patience. I am an old fart (51) and getting through it.
b-reddy
July 21, 2017
Thanks for the update Lesley! Great to hear your progress. Heading in the right direction :).
Susan O'Neill
July 26, 2017
Wow, I’m glad I didn’t read this before my surgery or I would have been scared shitless. My reconstructive surgery was extremely extensive and complicated by a fractured bone. After my ATV rollover accident, I couldn’t walk at all. My surgeon never gave me any details/heads up regarding the timeline for recovery or the depression that would accompany this surgery. I too thought I should be good after 2 to 3 months. I am 10 weeks out of surgery now and have started doing some easy hikes so I can fell somewhat normal. It’s news to me that this is gonna take 6 to 9 months which is depressing. This blog is right on and really helped me set some realistic expectations for myself. Thank you for sharing!
b-reddy
July 28, 2017
Hey Susan,
Sorry to hear about your injury. That’s certainly worse than only a tear. Great to hear you’re already doing some hiking though. Many would be happy with that in retrospect!
Thank you for the nice words. Hope those six+ months aren’t too bad :).
Haafiz Hafleen
August 1, 2017
Hey Brian I have few questions running through my mind, I wasn’t able to ask my doctor because he was barely with me. For my first post-op appointment my doctor wasn’t even there, it was one of his Co-workers and he only stayed for 3 minutes. So I had my ACL reconstruction 3 weeks ago using a hamstring graft and I’ve been working on straightening and bending my knee, and that has been going very well so far but up to this day I still can’t lift my leg up independently. When should I be able to lift up my leg? It is very weird because my brain is telling my leg to raise but my leg won’t correspond to its commands, am I worrying to much or is this normal?
b-reddy
August 1, 2017
Hey Haafiz,
It’s normal to have trouble contracting the quad or moving the leg, but that should be ironed out very quickly through rehabilitation. By quickly I mean the day of surgery.
Here I am 8 hours initially trying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8j4bTEj4bk
After some practice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OAkdtdcIrQ
The longer one waits to work on this, the harder it will get. While it is common to wait because the average patient / doctor / therapist starts rehab too late, it is not ideal.
That said, it is always good to confirm with the surgeon whether anything unusual is going on. If I were you and unsure about talking to one of the coworkers, then I would be demanding to talk with the person who cut my leg.
Tiff
August 4, 2017
Maybe I’m just a medical marvel, but my experience with ACL surgery has been very different. I was able to walk around without crutches within 3 days after surgery. I didn’t have to take a single pain pill except for naproxen. They put me in physical therapy 4 days after surgery, at which point I was able to walk normally without a brace ride a bike, do leg presses, simple weight shifting, and full extension. I basically was able to resume my regular daily life activities before the end of the first week. Most athletes who have ACL surgery can go back to competing at the same level and intensity prior to the injury once they’ve had PT. This is supported by lots of studies. I think this article is extremely misleading. If you have an active lifestyle prior to surgery and you get a very good, experienced surgeon, you should be able to go back to your normal life rather quickly as long as you are committed to physical therapy and didn’t accrue other injuries in addition to ACL. I understand that everyone’s body is different, but this is the type of article that will terrify people out of surgery. Your new ACL will be great! I went two years without an ACL. Not doing the surgery will limit your activities. Stay in shape, do the prehab and the rehab—get your leg completely mobile and strong prior to surgery and continue to do so after surgery. Yes, be realistic about the time it takes to heal but adopt a “fix it” and “do it” mentality. Lying around in bed won’t help you at all. The sooner you get out of bed and work on extension and mobility, the better off you’ll be.
b-reddy
August 6, 2017
Hey Tiff,
Please send over those studies. Here are some I’ve found:
63% of NFL players get back on the field. Performance is decreased by a third in wide receivers and running backs.
-http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0363546510372798
–https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2006/11/30/performance-of-wide-receivers-running-backs-post-acl-injury-falls-by-one-third-58809/
In NHL players, those who tear their ACL play an average 2.8 years afterwards, compared to a control group which played 4.4 more years. For wings and centers, games played per season goes from 71.2 to 58.2. After injury, points per season goes down by 61% the first season of return, and still by 43% in the second season of return.
–http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0363546515616802?legid=amjsports%3B0363546515616802v1&platform=hootsuite&cited-by=yes
NBA players: 22% didn’t return to play at all after ACL reconstruction. In those who make it back, many performance measures decrease. Field goal percentage, games played, and turnovers. However, overall performance doesn’t go down too badly.
–https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19664500
Soccer,
http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:391485/FULLTEXT01.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3692367/pdf/nihms474797.pdf
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.3109/17453679508995501
http://ojs.sagepub.com/content/1/2/2325967113497189.full
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/50/12/744.abstract
From one of the above studies, in a sample of 100 people, 61% made it back to the same level of play. From another one of the above:
“None of the 24 elite players with a ligament injury played soccer on the same level as before the knee injury”
You cannot say most athletes come back to the same level and intensity. You’d have to pick and choose by sport. Fact is, athletes have a hard time making it back. If they do make it back, there is a good probability they won’t be the same player. The only instance I’ve seen where this is not true is skiing. Discussed thoroughly here: https://b-reddy.org/2016/10/19/understanding-differences-in-return-to-play-in-different-sports-after-an-acl-tear/
Furthermore, equating high level athletes with everyday people is pointless. Commitment to recovery, genetic ability to heal, prior fitness to injury, are unlikely to be matched. Hence, I also linked a study in this article. It showed 65% of everyday people -not athletes- don’t make it back to their previous activity level. I don’t know how this is misleading, but let me know and I’ll clear it up in the post.
Meniscus tears accompany ACL tears over half the time. (https://josr-online.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13018-015-0184-x) If you didn’t have a meniscal tear, your experience is already not in the majority.
This has been addressed ad nauseam in the comment section already, but it’s been a while so I want to address it again. In every scenario it’s been the same pattern. “Well, I had an easy time” and that person then extrapolates their scenario to the average, neglecting the fact the article already covers this. It says I, the author, had little pain. It does not say a terrible time is inevitable. It says it’s common. I appreciate people giving their experience, but as the article says, we should be careful reading too much into any one person’s surgery. The irony of these comments is they’re committing one of the mistakes outlined in the article. Again, the article was not about my experience. It was about an average experience.
If I were to harp on my experience I’d be discussing how because of this injury, to this day, I am on a month to month basis as to whether I will have health insurance. Due to it being considered a pre-existing condition. (If it’s no big deal, why do insurance companies not want to cover ACL patients?) No matter how much of a fix it or positive mentality I have, that’s not going away. But it’s not a common part of the experience, so it’s not harped on.
Jim Blaney
August 6, 2017
Brian,
I’ve commented on my recovery (+13 months from ACL and +3 from meniscectomy) twice before. I feel as though I’ve had a typical recovery – ups (little pain) and downs (simple meniscus tear that turned into complex tear requiring 2nd surgery). But the purpose of this message is to ask for thoughts/help/explanation regarding my 22 years old son who is +3 years on his right ACL reconstruction and +2 years on his left. By the way – the most recent Mayo Clinic study saying 2+ years to full recovery is right on point from my view. Anyway – back to my question – my son’s recovery seems strong with one exception. He has been squatting heavy weights and it is causing severe pain at the top of his tibia. Not under the kneecap. It seems to me that it is likely patellofemoral pain syndrome that has the squatting as its primary source. His ACL used his patellar ligament as the replacement ACL and the reading that I have done suggests his pain may also be caused by this.
Thoughts? Other than staying away from squatting, any particular motion or exercise he should focus on?
Thanks agains for a brilliant blog.
b-reddy
August 8, 2017
Hey Jim,
I agree. Two years, maybe 18 months, is when people will feel their best.
This is getting into assessment territory, but some guidelines:
If the pain able to be pin pointed to the tibial tuberosity (this is one location he was drilled / sawed), there are three causes I’d consider-
-His surgical history
-Depending on his age, Osgood Schlatter’s disease (sounds way scarier than it is).
-Jumper’s knee, where he’s been excessively knee bending of late. Jumping, running, squatting (often deeper squatting). Though this often entails the pain being a bit higher on the patellar tendon.
In other words, we’re looking at tenderness at the insertion of the patellar tendon. Maybe a bit higher.
In all the above, you’d want to modify the loading on his legs with anything bending oriented. For squatting, you want to look at the volume. Weight, reps, sessions per week. Same deal for any running going on.
Something to keep in mind with all the above is they have long healing timelines. Can’t just take a week off and be fine.
For the surgery history, after the surgery he was missing a third of his patellar tendon. Takes a while for that strength to come back. (Many will not get all the way there. Same is true of hamstring grafts.) He may have gone up in weight too quickly. Even if his quads looked / felt great, the tendon is going to lag behind healing and strength wise. This can be one of the harder parts of recovery when getting into more intense activity. Initially everything feels weak, if not atrophied. As time goes on though the muscles will feel ready to go, but the tendons and ligaments aren’t there yet. This is perhaps the main difference in how one feels after 12 months vs 24.
You could also look at how he sits. Are the feet consistency tucked under the thighs? That’s added stress on the knee region. (More here: https://b-reddy.org/2014/08/22/how-sitting-kills-your-knees/ ) It’s basically a low intensity squat every time the person sits. Easy way to give the knees a breather.
If the pain is more around the anterior tibial plateau, then while loading is still a factor, the meniscus should be considered if he had any work done there.
Patellofemoral pain tends to be on or right around the patella. It’s quite common after a knee surgery. Have a post in the works about this. In this case a more thorough assessment needs to be done, such as how he is moving, exercise technique, and most notably, IT band and quad stiffness. Have a post and guide about this:
-https://b-reddy.org/2012/03/04/the-best-damn-it-band-stretch-ever/
-https://b-reddy.org/2013/08/20/6-exercises-to-loosen-the-it-band/
For the medial tibial plateau (inside of the knee), you consider the meniscus, as well as how the person is moving / IT band stiffness.
If you ever want more direct help:
-https://b-reddy.org/2013/06/20/the-remote-client-process/
-https://b-reddy.org/2014/08/04/phone-video-consultations/
Jim Blaney
August 8, 2017
Not sure how you manage to be so responsive to your blogs while maintaining an active practice but I sure appreciate it. You’re right in noting that my question pushed into assessment territory – sorry. I didn’t mean to put you in an uncomfortable position. I guess I just wasn’t able to find anything on-line that struck me as truly similar to what my son is experiencing. He saw his PT who is someone I absolutely trust. All tests were negative for meniscus issues or ACL/MCL issues. The PT person suggested that the pain may be caused when Peter “locks out” at the top of a squat. The thought was that he may have pinched the fat pads that surround the knee. Apparently those fat pads are highly sensitive and can cause significant pain. But Peter is describing pain at the bottom of a squat and is now having pain going up and down stairs – which is why I started thinking patellerfemoral pain or, due to the location at the top of the tibia, perhaps pain at the harvest site when the doc removed a section of his patellar for use as the reconstructed ACL. It just seems that onset of pain now – two years after the surgery – struck me as odd.
Again, thank you for your blog and for allowing those going thru recovery and those trying to help family going thru recovery to send these comments.
b-reddy
August 11, 2017
Always worth keeping in mind, unfortunately, no matter the PT, or even orthopedist, a meniscus can never fully be ruled out without arthroscopy.
Overall, sounds like an overuse issue. Overuse issues commonly start with intense physical activity, then start trickling into everyday life.
You’re very welcome!
Susan
August 18, 2017
Hi Brian. I am 3.5 weeks post op and am in a bad state of depression. I wanted to buy your manual but I don’t use Paypal and also I was afraid to read more about how truly bad this is for me as an athlete. I guess I am just not in a place to hear it. I go to PT three times a week and do exercises 2 to 3 times a day but I am still using crutches and having pain. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that I will never play soccer again nor will I set foot on a concrete tennis court again. My husband has been diagnosed with Early Onset Alzheimers and I am the one who is supposed to be the caregiver. It was more important for me though, to try and continue being a competitive athlete as a 43 year old female. Not the right move. I have had a broken neck, rotator tear, meniscus tears, etc and I can say that this is the worst I have been mentally. I don’t even know who to turn to for support because I don’t think anyone can really understand. The exercises, ice, meditation and positive affirmations don’t stave away the hours a day that I am in tears. And the fact that I am so fit and compliant and still behind my protocol is a conundrum. And there is nothing I can do to “speed it up.” I am maxing out what my body, mind and pain tolerance is at. I feel like I need someone to come over and hug me in the morning and just tell me it’s going to be ok. I know this ended my competitive sports days. I just don’t want to feel like my entire life is over. Sorry I am in a bad place.
b-reddy
August 20, 2017
Hey Susan,
Sorry to hear about your rough time.
-As far as the manual, you don’t have to have a PayPal account. You can use your credit or debit card. If you simply don’t want to use the PayPal service at all, that’s tough. I’ve had some use Western Union, but you’d have to be willing to do the extra work.
-I know this is easier said than done, but I would try to not think about soccer, tennis, or sports right now. Instead, think about doing what’s necessary to get your range of motion and walking to normalcy. From there, you then focus on the next step. Such as being able to squat. Or being able to go up and down a flight of stairs. Thinking about sports is so far from your ability right now it’s bound to get you down.
-If you don’t feel like your therapist is living up to their job, it’s perfectly reasonable to try another. In the least, you may get more emotional support. Empathy varies widely amongst therapists.
-I’m sorry to hear about your husband. I have some writing on the site here about dementia. Perhaps he can become part of your rehab to some degree- https://b-reddy.org/2014/02/06/worried-about-dementia-stop-thinking-and-start-moving/
José Antonio
August 19, 2017
Hey just to say thanks. This is my first real injury. Not being able to swim as I want hurts bad. Even though protocols everywhere suggest swimming is ok after 2-3 months, they seem to forget that swimming involves a lot of flutter kicking. Hey you, if you are a swimmer that got his acl torn, it will take time for the leg to feel strong in the water. Swimming is also a very demanding sport. I am close to hit my 6month and its been hard. Thanks for writing this, doctors don’t say this.
b-reddy
August 20, 2017
Thank you for the nice words Jose. You’re welcome.
I found the same exact thing with swimming. Flutter kicking did not feel good on my knee for a while. Certainly longer than 2-3 months!
Samantha
October 3, 2017
I tore my acl and meniscus and partly tore my mcl in may 2017 playing soccer, went to the doctor they thought I had badly sprained it.. (lucky me)
Went to physiotherapy and keep playing soccer which let me insure you doesn’t make the situation better..! Four months later went back to the doctor again complaining off pain still, they finally sent me for a MRI and confirmed the worst. then only took two days from seeing the surgeon to having the surgery. (That really was lucky me!) once woken up from the surgery until now (10 days) there hasn’t been much pain or very low pain. Haven’t had to take any pain killers at all.
I think people if you are debating about having the surgery, please do, it’s not that bad. It’s not as scary or depressing as people let you think it is. The pain isn’t that bad either. Don’t watch the surgery before had either, but do research it so you are aware of what’s going to happen or how you are going to be after wards.
b-reddy
October 16, 2017
Hey everyone,
I had some knee recovery researchers find this page and express interest in using the stories here to better help future recoveries. I wrote about this some in this post:
https://b-reddy.org/2017/10/16/part-knee-pain-study/
In brief, here is what they asked me to post here:
“We would like to invite you to take part in a research study about your
experience in recovering from a knee condition. More information about the study can be found here:
–Using qualitative analysis of patient blogs to inform development of automated measurement of self-care with text mining and sentiment analysis
https://www.researchgate.net/project/Using-qualitative-analysis-of-patient-blogs-to-inform-development-of-automated-measurement-of-self-care-with-text-mining-and-sentiment-analysis
We would like to ask you 10 questions in relation to your treatment, symptoms and the ways in which they affect your life. The questionnaire is available here:
http://users.cs.cf.ac.uk/OwenDW1/kneeblog/
We thank you in advance for your help.”
Help ’em out if you can! It may help the next generation of knee recoveries.
Karina
October 31, 2017
I loved reading this article, it made me laugh and feel like everything I’m experiencing is normal. I did not mentally prepare for my surgery at all (it’ll be one week tomorrow) in fact, I truly believed in a week I would be back to work, school, driving because that’s what my surgeon told me. So I went in believing it wasn’t so bad.
I had crucial pain since the moment I woke up, my first three days resulted in screaming over the pain, the pain meds I got did nothing for me, none of the meds did actually. I’m just now beginning to walk on crutches but feel defeated some days. I tell myself it’s mental but at the same time it’s not because you know, they put a fucking drill through me.
I found myself googling for hours, reading others ACL stories and feeling mediocre. I read about a girl who was walking without crutches day 3 post surgery and I can’t even do an unsupported leg raise. But, like I said this article was the best one I found- wish I found it before my surgery!
Thank you so much, I’m feeling so much better now and it was another reminder to stop comparing myself to everyone else’s surgeries.
Hoping week 2 goes better, thank you again!
b-reddy
February 6, 2018
Hey Katrina,
I’m sorry for the delay. I had an issue where I didn’t realize some comments came through.
Sorry to hear about how much pain you had, but I’m glad to hear the article was helpful, and I hope you’re doing well a few months post-op!
Nina
December 23, 2017
Hello! I just got ACL surgery and a meniscus repair three days ago. My surgeon has put me in a brace locked at 0 degrees and I must keep it on 24/7 until I see her next week for post-op. I know you are big on PT right away but given that I’m limited with this huge brace, what do you recommend I do for the time being? Quad sets?
b-reddy
December 24, 2017
Hey Nina,
There is still plenty you can do. I was locked straight for 12 days. You can see what I did in the beginning here: https://b-reddy.org/category/anterior-cruciate-ligament-acl/rehab/page/12/
More structured program: https://b-reddy.org/2014/04/02/the-most-important-phase-of-acl-rehab-copy/